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American taxpayers footed the bill for at least $1.8 trillion in federal and state health care expenditures in 2022 — about 41% of the nearly $4.5 trillion in both public and private health care spending the U.S. recorded last year, according to the annual report released last week by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

On top of that $1.8 trillion, third-party programs, which are often government-funded, and public health programs accounted for another $600 billion in spending.

This means the U.S. government spent more on health care last year than the governments of Germany, the U.K., Italy, Spain, Austria, and France combined spent to provide universal health care coverage to the whole of their population (335 million in total), which is comparable in size to the U.S. population of 331 million.

Between direct public spending and compulsory, tax-driven insurance programs, Germany spent about $380 billion in health care in 2022; France spent around $300 billion, and so did the U.K.; Italy, $147 billion; Spain, $105 billion; and Austria, $43 billion. The total, $1.2 trillion, is about two-thirds of what the U.S. government spent without offering all of its citizens the option of forgoing private insurance.

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[-] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago

I saw a commercial for healthcare.gov. It talked about how people only paid a few bucks for healthcare. It was all after government assistance.

The fact that you need heavy government assistance to get healthcare shows how much of a failure things are here.

Also in Mexico they have legal price limits on drugs. They're printed on the box so you know if you're getting a deal or paying the max. Also can see a doctor for like 40 pesos (about 2 to 3 USD). It's much cheaper than my post insurance copay. I understand it's a different market, but they have better general healthcare than the US.

Also as a side note, most drugs don't need a prescription. You can tell the pharmacist what hurts and they can tell you what should help (or when to see a Dr). If I want to see my Dr, I'm on hold for 20 minutes then get an appointment in 2 weeks. Once again: viva Mexico!

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

In the US, when I want to see my doctor I drive 15 minutes to get there and tell them I need to be seen for whatever and then I wait 15 minutes and then talk to the doctor. If they say I need to talk to a specialist, that may take 1-2 weeks after making an appointment though. It's not cheaper, but at least I can get care when I need it.

Of course, not everyone can afford healthcare in our country. That's the biggest problem. But it's generally fast and competent.

[-] plantedworld@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Man this is less and less the experience I'm seeing. Months to see my primary. Urgent care I can get in same day, but I work at hospital that saves slots for their employees

[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Where I am in the US, dentist schedules 6 months out, doctor likes you to schedule annual exams a year out and non urgent a couple of weeks at a minimum but there are some urgent care appointments available each day (or most days). Dermatologist and GYN a couple months wait for routine care. But there are lots of independent urgent care standalone clinics, including for orthopedic stuff, so for broken bones I did not have to go to the emergency room and incur that cost.

It's uneven I would say. Definitely not worth what we are paying in taxes, insurance premiums and payments to providers, though.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So about the same waiting times as developed nations with a healthcare system, but with 10 000 times the cost.

I pay like 5€ in Belgium to go see a doctor, the rest is paid by my insurance. I can walk into a hospital right now and get service. As long as the issue warrants urgency of course. And a call to my house doctor can be met with a half hour wait time if it is less urgent.

[-] shuzuko@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

Most people cannot see their primary care physician just by driving up and being like, hey, I need to be seen for x issue. You pretty much have to make an appointment unless you go to a minute clinic or something. And that's with insurance. Your experience is very much an outlier.

[-] JonEFive@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

No kidding. There's at least a month long wait to see any of my doctors. Same with my dentist unless it's urgent. Usually it's closer to two months.

If I need immediate attention, I have to go to an urgent care clinic or emergency room.

The nice thing is that in the year 2023, all of my doctors are reachable via the hospital system's app and they respond to questions relatively quickly. So there's no need to schedule a 15 minute appointment that ends up taking hours just to ask a simple question or two or to get a referral.

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