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"Both parties are the same!"
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My brother in Christ, that is not the right thing.
I disagree, to each their own.
Which candidate should we vote for that will guarantee there will not be another 30 years of 2-party rule and how are they polling right now?
A second Trump term is everything you hate about Biden plus more shit. Biden still the lesser of two evils, you should vote for him.
But I will say Biden is a fucking moron for doing so many unpopular things late in his term. I guess some of these geriatric Dems would rather punch down on the left than secure democracy against it's biggest threat in decades. I get the frustration.
It's voting for less evil. And staying home is an extra vote for more evil.
But I promise, get the frustration. We live in a fucked up system that filters out good candidates.
That's not how American voting works, if everyone voted for who they think is absolute best, the group with the most unity wins, which is exactly why political parties exist.
A plan that depends on everyone spontaneously deciding to do what you think is best is no plan at all.
You obviously don't understand basic game theory.
I just think if people would look at what they value, find a matching candidate, vote for said candidate; things would be less of a shits show.
Exactly; you don't understand basic game theory. The options you lay out are not in fact part of the equation. If we're playing a game in which you have only two choices, opting for a third make-believe alternative is going to result in a losing outcome every time.
Are your values based around helping the worst of two evils get in power? Because it sure sounds like it.
There it is. Fear Voting.
Bold of you to assume everyone shares your values.
Oh no, not MY values. Their OWN values.
Voting to express yourself is pure vanity. Vote in a way that will actually influence the outcome in a positive way. If, that is, you want to do something other than feel good about how morally superior you are.
Who is running third party for folks to rally behind? Moreover, who is running that would somehow overcome both major parties' candidates by drawing enough away from them to win or in some way effect a change in process?
The thing is most people are Third party without knowing it. They've just been brainwashed into thinking there are only two options and are solely focused on being on the "winning" side, heavily persuaded into "fear" voting.
I would agree with you if we didn't have a two party majority and FPtT voting. You would also have to have a strong third party candidate that most people are excited about and is not trying to be a spoiler. You also will need to start persuading those you have mentioned who "are third party without knowing it" way before the election. Also getting a majority for a third party in the electoral college.
I want to be wrong and am willing to be convinced. I am curious how you see third party as an option with or without voting reform and how to persuade people to consider it.
August Nimtz wrote a book about this, it’s called “voting fetishism.”
I would like to say I'll take a look, but i won't. I don't have the time right now. I did search it and it seems like it has to do with voting in a communist country?
Let me know when there's a third party candidate worth my time. Jill Stein has done nothing to earn my vote, and unless she addresses her anti science remarks, she'll never get it.
Understood, because the Red or Blue candidate are worth it.
Great plan. Everyone just needs to listen to you, and all our problems will go away!
Everybody needs to vote for who they honestly think the best candidate is. If that's Biden, vote Biden. If that's Jill Stein or Cornel West or whoever the Libertarians are running, then vote for them.
Vote your hopes, not your fears. Or, as Jill Stein said, "Don't vote for the lesser evil. Vote for the greater good."
That's some "When they go low, we go high" bullshit.
Politics isn't about falling in love with the perfect candidate. That's never going to happen -- and if it seems like someone is that perfect candidate, it's a giant red flag.
Vote for what's realistic. Vote like an adult. Vote with your head, not your heart.
Ah, that would be the Jill Stein who has never tried to run for mayor or congress or governor, the Jill Stein who thinks it's the presidency or nothing. She has no interest in changing anything. There is no reason to listen to her.