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"Both parties are the same!"
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The thing is most people are Third party without knowing it. They've just been brainwashed into thinking there are only two options and are solely focused on being on the "winning" side, heavily persuaded into "fear" voting.
I would agree with you if we didn't have a two party majority and FPtT voting. You would also have to have a strong third party candidate that most people are excited about and is not trying to be a spoiler. You also will need to start persuading those you have mentioned who "are third party without knowing it" way before the election. Also getting a majority for a third party in the electoral college.
I want to be wrong and am willing to be convinced. I am curious how you see third party as an option with or without voting reform and how to persuade people to consider it.
I think if you just introduce the Libertarian's website to people and explain how they want to reduce the size and taxation of the Govt with simple rules, I believe people would come around. Also, point out how New Hampshire is mainly Libertarian now because of the Free State Project and look at the things they've done there.
https://fee.org/articles/new-hampshire-is-the-freest-state-in-america-heres-why/
August Nimtz wrote a book about this, it’s called “voting fetishism.”
I would like to say I'll take a look, but i won't. I don't have the time right now. I did search it and it seems like it has to do with voting in a communist country?
He studied Lenin’s notes about voting in Russia before the revolution and compares it to today. I get it. I never get to read half the stuff I’d like to. He also spoke on the Upstream podcast if you have time.
The Podcast I can get behind. I'll give that a shot.
Upstream deserves praise. It has some intelligent conversations, not just dictations.
*Currently 32 mins into the 55min episode and liking the format so far.
👍 You clearly think rationally, so if you have any recommendations for reading, YouTube, listening, I would appreciate it. I enjoy learning about how the world works.
I don't really have anything but my own thoughts and Libertarian stance, which by some of the comments I've received is "irrational". The podcast was interesting. What I learned though, is that Lenin viewed voting as a gauge for the uprising/physical violence in the "streets" and not as exercising actual political power. His thought seemed to be the only way to make political change is with violence or the threat of violence or mass labor strikes. The podcast only touched on the political-fetishism you had mentioned, but I guess the guest on the show is writing a book on that. Which I have no idea if it is out yet. Also, according to the podcast, there has to be a party that represents the common worker. Without it there no voice of the people. Lastly, the talked about how you needed to have a party at the ready for the discontent voters. They used the BLM, Railway strikes, etc and how the movement(s) fizzled out due to not having a place (party) to channel their energy through. Then the current parties just had to say the right things to sway them and thus derailing any momentum. Thats just my 2 cents.
You pretty much summed it up. I found it interesting how Nimtz explains it. He parallels how the government in Russia compares to what we’re seeing in America now. Upstream has some elevated conversations. I don’t agree with many, but I appreciate different points of view.