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As a non-US citizen I'd like to reiterate that you can get rid of this idiocy only by banning guns.
Not interested in American opinion regrading this one, sorry, it's a super simple fact with no discussion worth wasting time for us.
'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
(... from almost 10 years ago now jesus)
I find it frustrating when people make a statement, and then say they aren't interested in hearing a specific group's opinion. It's rude af.
Just because you have an opinion doesnt make it valid.
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True, but simply stating that doesn't change my opinion
Statistically, most Americans agree with much stronger gun controls. Even a significant portion of the conservative block. It's the few holding the rest of us ransom.
That would be because there are many people who have no idea about firearms trying to legislate firearms. When the laws are written and constructed in such a way that it makes it so that the commoner is a criminal then the law is not viable. Stop sticking ridiculous riders on your bills and legislation.
This is the only issue you’ll be downvoted for saying that about.
Abortion, internet security, immigration, healthcare, etc is all fine to say that about but not guns.
I have zero consideration for my karma score. If I bother commenting it's so others will read and possibly read into what I'm speaking of and further inform themselves.
Oh I get it. I just hoped to add to it is all.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1808/text
Just for reference, the latest assault weapons ban would have banned everything that is not a bolt action rifle pump action shotgun lever action rifle or a revolver from the early 1900s. And with the overlapping restrictions many of those would also be banned for capacity weight or other arbitrary addon definitions.
For example a single action shotgun from 1880 would be classed as an illegal assault weapon as it has the capability to: "accept a detachable ammunition feeding device at some location outside of the pistol grip." It does not matter that it is a single action. Shotgun the fact that there are devices specifically invented to assist with reloading makes it an assault weapon as the law is written.
I would rather live somewhere that bans guns by people who know nothing about guns than live somewhere where they aren't banned but still regulated by people who still know nothing.
Kind of shitty to assume that all Americans have the same opinion, no?
Experience has taught me that unfortunately, while you don't all have the same opinion, most do reject the simple premise of the original comment, for various reasons, whether they're "left" or right.
Just so you've had the experience of meeting one, I am an American who is for banning guns.
Everyone from a country has a the same opinion. That newborn baby in Russia agrees with Putin on everything. There aren't +8 billion humans with their own pov, there are about 190 of us.
Well, there can of course be different opinions, but in reality every type of pro-gun argument is debunked (from my point of view) in r/gunsarecool. There's a megathread or sidebar that counter-argues every single opinion with proper citation, and also counter-argues every single counter-counter-argument. And then every counter-counter-counter-counter argument is also debunked there.
And to me thus the US pro-gun arguments look like just an exhibition of arguments I've seen and already countered better than I can.
Oh how magnanimous of you. Thank you for allowing more than one opinion to exist in a nation of 329,000,000 people. You sir are a king among men.
That didn't address what I said at all, so I'll just repeat it:
Kind of shitty to assume that all Americans have the same opinion, no?
You are not from a country, you are giving advice to that country, and you say you have no interest in what people from that country have to say.
I must admit in terms of ability to persuade people to your side this is a rather bold strategy. "Hi I have no stake in the outcome, strong feelings about the outcome, and I don't care what you the person who lives with the outcome thinks. Also you should do what I say".
I genuinely know you are correct. To be honest with you, I don't like what I wrote.
What's still interesting to me, this horrible human, is that I also gave up convincing Americans on guns and yet still can't stop posting. The endless debates on the internet about a topic that we outsiders tend to think has a simple single solution made me write that comment. I couldn't stop myself. Apologies.
He's not wrong. If we want to get rid of the idiocy. If we're willing to live with it, and based on our actions, we apparently are, then we don't need to ban guns.
I, from the UK, once had a 'conversation' about gun control with an American on Reddit. What brought this about was the day before a 9 year old girl was killed by a stray bullet from a drive-by. One moment she was in her bedroom doing some homework, and the next she was dead.
After a lot of back and forth with him getting more flummoxed and aggressive he then said something like "If she was outside playing like a normal kid then she wouldn't have been killed."
Yep, he blamed her.
That was the time I realised it was a waste of everything talking about it.
people who argue that their right to guns is more important than a persons right to life is inherently moronic, and shouldn't be listened to.
One thing I've learned is that, if you write a comment with reasonable
balance of views and still get attacks, the posters are people without proper trainings on critical debates.
In case of the gun ban, it's even worse because most people never lived in the rest of the world.
From a pro-gun stance, most of the discussions are useless anyway.
b b but my sport makes me feel good!
and mountain climbing will only injure me
i want an exciting sport that will hurt others
Americans are so backwards when it comes to valuing human life. There's no point in engaging them on anything at all, so it's best to block/ban people like Chitak the thundertard.