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Neither of the choices you'd vote for are viable either, unless all you care about is war spending.
I will be voting third party.
Enjoy your super principled fascism.
Your talent for projection is astonishing.
Huh? Not sure I follow, how am I projecting, exactly?
You're here criticizing me for supporting third parties.
You just spent the last three years watching more than 200 billion dollars, unbudgeted, get added to an already trillion-dollar war budget. You watched the right to bodily autonomy evaporate, and the response from the party you gave power to change that was just to fund raise. You've watched zero action as housing scarcity has escalated, and likewise zero action on wages, education, and health care costs. (Unless we're giving credit for speeches without any subsequent action.)
And you say I'm the principled fascist, watching Democrats allow it to happen or so concerned with making money off their positions that they ignore it.
You have to ignore so, so many things you make excuses for in order to come that conclusion.
So, for that to be me "projecting", all the ills you describe that haven't been solved to your liking must equal fascism to you? You either have no clue what projecting is, or no clue what fascism is, or I guess probably both. Anyway, cool theory bro, keep both sides'ing and doing your part to help literal fascists back into power, they'll surely get on solving all those things! Un-fucking-real, there are seriously still people that witnessed 2016-2020, then 2020-now and are like, yeah whatever, both sides hurr durr. I try not to hate, but damn, you fucking people, you're seriously going to fuck us all with your nonsense.
Every issue you've described is something actively fought for and put forth by Republicans. The same Republicans who hold the house and, subsequently, the ability to pass legislation to fix these things.
Democrats, or I guess in this specific case Biden, has no ability to just snap his fingers and grant: bodily autonomy, re-write the war budget, programs for housing scarcity, education, livable wages, or health care. To claim otherwise or that he is just toting people along while actively avoiding responsibility is either showing that you have literally no idea what you're talking about or is just straight misinformation.
I do not love Biden and I adamantly disagree with some of his decisions such as his response to the Israel/Palestine conflict. But he has done some serious good with his time in office. Expanding access to live saving medication for seniors, providing an actually reasonable student loan repayment plan, modernizing the internet infrastructure for millions of homes in the mid west, and shifting much of the Federal governments facilities to use green energy just to name a few.
I truly wish 3rd party candidates stood any sort of chance in a general election, I really do. But as it stands currently they do not, history has shown us that over and over and over again. So you have 3 choices: vote for the party that actually perpetrated those above issues and has made it perfectly clear they will do so again, vote for the lesser evil that while horribly flawed has actually done some serious good in addition to frankly just not promoting an authoritarian ethnostate, or toss your vote out and pray for the best.
You and I have entirely two different perspectives on what it means to actively fight for something.
This is ridiculous. How are Republicans able to pass all their vile legislation in the face of Democratic opposition while the opposite is not also true? How can you argue that Biden is powerless to do anything, but Trump will have the power to bring about the end-times? You're trying to argue out of both sides of your mouth all to maintain the status quo of shitty government.
Because Trump just ignores laws that aren't convenient to him.
Today on Lemmy, which is dumber?
-Distilling an entire presidency to what happens in proxy wars (the RU one admittedly being an amazing deal for the US against a long term adversary).
-Voting third party in '20/'24
You chickenhawks say the same things about every war. I remember 2003 when Iraq was going to last six months and cost 30 billion. "Mission Accomplished". Back then you told us it was a bargain because Saddam had uranium.
What's dumb is seeing 40 years of conservative outcomes and the progression of fascism under a Democratic president and then telling us to do more of it.
I don't remember this, care to provide some justification? The way I remember it is that Americans were tricked into being afraid of Saddam and his WMD and it was sold as a preemptive move to a bunch of people still reeling after the 9/11 attacks.
Russia is actually a major adversary, this is not secret. They are also acting like aggressive imperialists. I would be hesitant to get boots on the ground, but helping Ukraine defend itself is both a win for us, and the right thing to do.
I don't see how they're really comparable.
Holy shit I've argued with you a few times, this comment is actually something I can totally agree on.
Nope, I was against that war before it ever started. Ukraine isn't even close to the same situation.
Please explain your reasoning behind this statement and compare those outcomes to the alternative (voting republican)
Better savor that vote. If Trump wins, it'll be the last one you cast.
There's always going to be some Trump-like figure waiting in the wings if you demand that we continue limiting ourselves to these two parties alone.
That's not remotely true. If you look at the demographics data, we basically have to just hold on until the Boomers die. Once that happens, Republicans will be a severe minority if they don't change their politics. Then the left can go back to its usual circular firing squad without risking American democracy.
Jesus fucking Christ thank you. Republicans just line up to be cucked by Trump and their worst policies. Americans, even Republicans, aren't in favor of these abortion bans, but Trump goes out on the circuit being like "you know, I got those judges in there" and that's a win for him. More benign, but Ted Cruz can have Trump call his wife ugly or whatever and just hop right back on that dick without even enough time to grab some mouthwash and wipe down with a towel.
Meanwhile, the someone anywhere sneezes, Biden doesn't say "bless you" fast enough and that's the fucking news cycle.
Which one are you voting for?
I'd like to find a viable 3rd party candidate that can win the presidential election and disrupt the 2 party system we currently have.