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Muslim Americans in swing states launch anti-Biden campaign
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They must want to completely lose Democracy because they aren't getting their way. That's what's in the ballot. There very likely won't BE 2028 election if Rump gets back in.
If democracy isn't working for them, why would they vote for it? Remember, they just voted with Republicans to censure Rashida Tlaib over nothing too, and then there's all the other stuff like student loans, the child tax credit, gaslighting people about how well the economy is going, etc.
Generally voting for democrats on the federal level just means halting or slowing down the inevitable ratchet towards fashism, not actually improving things, because there always a Lieberman or a Manchin ready to sink anything that would be too lefty.
Because it can get worse. This seems obvious.
Of course it can and will. But just like Weimar Germany, the centrist parties (or in this case, the only non-fascist party) are too busy with their heads up their asses (or scare mongering about socialism) instead of solving people's issues. Why would they support the party that will punish the few representatives they have any time they stand up for Muslim issues?
BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE IS WORSE.
This also seems PAINFULLY obvious.
The alternative in this case being "treating people like you need their votes."
The party would rather have Trump than the nightmare scenario of acting like their voters are worth anything.
Look, I can’t keep people from hurting themselves. I will call them morons leading up to and afterwards though.
Same as I did for dipshits in red states losing maternity wards now. /shrug
You'd rather blame people for a loss than try to win.
I’m simply reminding people of the reality that either the Dem or Rep will win.
If you need a group of people to vote for you, you need to get their votes.
If you have a scapegoat to blame for any loss, you don't need to do anything to get anyone's votes. You'd rather have the scapegoat.
That has nothing to do with what I said.
You are desperate to say anything except admit I’m right about that simple fact.
The choice is between Biden and Trump, yes. One of them will win, assuming neither dies of old age before then. I never argued otherwise and don't intend to start.
Now that I said the thing that you want, how has that changed the situation? Has that suddenly made this group more likely to vote for Biden?
You get to pretend you won an argument against someone who wasn't arguing against the non-point you kept spamming. Congratulations. It's not me you need to convince. I'm already voting for Biden.
If you need their votes, you need to secure their votes.
I think someone just needs to remind them of how Trump literally tried to stop the transfer of power last time and any “recalibration” the Dems might do will mean FUCK ALL if Trump gets his way next time as there might not be another election.
They know that now and are leaving anyway.
If Democrats don't adjust before the election, they won't get these voters back. Call them any name you want, it'll make you feel better. Make all the dismissals and accusations you want. But none of that will get them back.
They’ll regret it.
But here we go again. Only way some people learn is by putting their hand back on the hot burner a second time.
Maybe the party should try to get their votes instead. But they'd rather have Trump.
Or they believe they’re doing the right thing. Have you considered that?
Anyone who expects me to believe supporting genocide is the right thing is not worth my continued effort.
That's the entire party platform.
Both options keep getting worse and continuing to paly a rigged game isn't worth it. The Republicans might just cheat and win and all.the.Biden capitulation will have been for nothing
You show me the policies the Democrats have that comes even close to this- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
I mean I don't like the Democrats, but my god... Trump and his people want a one-party state with him as dictator for life and one of his kids succeeding him.
The capitulation would have been for stopping that.
Don't worry. There will be no shortage of people clutching their pearls and smugly saying they stood up for their ideals by not voting for Democrats, as they ride to concentration camps.
Pft no they'll just continue to blame Democrats. How dare they make you vote for the Republican because they weren't inspiring enough for your vote?
Is it an inevitable turn towards fascism, or is it people refusing to vote against fascism because Democrats don't "inspire" them?
You can either keep shaming non-voters, or democrats could maybe do something for them once in a while that's not a corporate giveaway disguised as policy.
If a progressive is running against a fascist, and a moderate chooses not to vote because they think both options are "too extreme", does that mean the progressive candidate inevitably leads to fascism?
I'll happily keep shaming non voters, because their logic makes no fucking sense and I hate such blithe idiocy. I'm no Democrat spokesperson nor party official. If a random person being mean to them online is enough for them to refuse to vote against bigotry, I couldn't care less about their opinion.
Last time moderates didn't get their very first choice, they formed a PAC to fundraise for McCain/Palin.
I see someone isn't following what is happening or how this works. The President, leader of the Dems, changed federal policy to forgive student loans (or at least a big chunk of them for a big chunk of the population) and it got struck down by the Supreme Court thanks to the other party. The Dems passed the child tax credit and then couldn't get it through the house to renew it because of the other party.
Let's say that's true, it's objectively not but let's pretend it is. Isn't that still the obviously better option? How the fuck is fascism today better than fascism tomorrow?
Then we don't fucking deserve it or it will be time to refresh the tree of liberty. When disenfranchised people tell you that they don't see a difference, ask why. These folk have lost family members and are telling you that, from their perspective the only difference between having a R and a D in the White House is whether you show up to protest too.
“Refresh the Tree of Liberty”.. that’s some bullshit, Trump gets into office and he’ll chop that tree down himself. Then deport all the Muslims he can. Voting R is the literal version of “chop your nose off to spite your face”.
If they can’t see a difference between having legal abortions and not, they’re fucking idiots.
Yes, Roe still exists and we need to preserve it by... making excuses for not codifying it.
Hey maybe republicans will do it.
"Everyone to my left is all the way to my right"
Na mine is “those idiots think getting the party furthest from their supposed ideal elected will be good for them”.
Then don't accuse me of being a Republican for pointing out that Democrats did fuck all to preserve Roe.
I didn’t. I was sarcastically pointing out that we have a 0% chance of that happening under republicans.
Meanwhile if we had elected Clinton we would be looking at a very different SCOTUS and still have Roe standing.
I naively thought that out little Trump boondoggle would remind people of what can happen when they forget what kind of system we all function under but here we are, again, saying “you really don’t want to do that”.
Guess we need another round to make things even worse?
Bullshit.
If Clinton had run as though she needed votes in states she ignored, she might have won.
But trying to get votes is beneath Democrats.
lol the fuck? It’s literally a facetious statement “maybe republicans will do it” while knowing full well that would never happen.
Nothing in that comment even slightly suggests I’m calling you a Republican.
How does one “ignore” a state?
That’s it, if Biden doesn’t come knocking on my door I’m not voting for him. Otherwise, how could I ask him questions and gather information on his policy positions? [this is another sarcastic paragraph meant to point out the fact that people shouldn’t need a visit from a candidate to make a voting decision. TV and the internet exist.]
By not campaigning in them.
I mean, that's what Clinton failed to do in swing states. And it's why she lost. You may think that swing states have an overinflated sense of their own importance and that talking to the flyover hayseeds is unbecoming, but ultimately, votes are earned, and can be lost. Clinton couldn't grasp that. She lost.
You can't grasp it either.
Maybe it's because understanding it means you'll have to admit that Clinton earned her loss.
I found his walkback unconvincing and decided to let it go because I had other things to say and didn't want to deal with him fixating on that. Believe what you want.
Like I said, believe what you want.
If you can't see the difference between not being able to get an abortion and your mother being dead, then I pity you and your lack of empathy.
If the overturn of Roe has turned you into a one issue voter, then I will pair you off with a 2nd amendment one issue voter and you can angrily jerk each other off.
Na I just picked an issue that any fucking moron would be able to tell the parties apart on.
Hey maybe Trump will be better on Muslim relations though.
Ah yes, Muslims are famously all pro-choice.
TIL discerning between two things is tantamount to support for one of them.
If you look at Democrats and Republicans and see no difference, you may want to ask yourself why a Trump presidency would be the same for you as a Biden presidency. There aren't a whole lot of non white working class Americans who can say that.