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[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Of course one can ask if you need to jail teenagers for throwing rocks at police and military. But asking 'how' is pretty simple: you can look it up. There are laws and if you violate them, you get jailed.

On the other side: maybe ask Hamas where their victims came from. What did the 23 Thai workers did wrong. Or the 10 Nepaelis.

...or even more depressing: ask them where they are. Rumors go around that Hamas doesn't know anymore where all hostages are. Since Hamas fighters where allowed to take individual hostages as trophy back home. You can only imagine what they might do to a single, young and beautiful woman whose only crime was to be at the wrong time at the wrong spot.

[-] Lileath 71 points 11 months ago

Israel took more than a thousand detainees without any charges. A lot of them are women and children and they don't even necessarily come from Gaza.

And you should maybe think a bit less with aesthetics, why wouldn't the less beautiful women and girls be raped? It seems to me that you unjustly discriminate on who deserves the most pity.

[-] porcariasagrada@slrpnk.net 52 points 11 months ago

There are laws and if you violate them, you get jailed.

hey, slavery is legal so obey the fucking law and don't fight for your freedom. after all, you wouldn't want to be labeled a criminal by slavers, now would you?

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 11 months ago

Ones a terrorist organisation and the other is meant to be a national state you fucking idiot.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Fun fact, in 2006 we had a chance to welcome them into legitimate governance and work towards peace with them.

Instead we, the western world, rebuffed every attempt they made at being a legitimate government and backed Israel's blockade and assassination campaign.

Second fun fact, you can't bomb an ideology. You can only convince people it's not right, outdated, or no longer useful. In terrorism this is often done through allowing them to operate as a legitimate political party. It's a lot harder for them to justify martydom to their rank and file if they have a seat in parliament.

They may be terrorists but we turned them away.

[-] idiomaddict@feddit.de 32 points 11 months ago

That suggests that those jailed have been convicted or even sentenced for crimes. Look up administrative detention.

[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

These are not part of the deal.

[-] lazyvar@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

So about those laws.

Also wondering which Israeli laws allow for the physical, mental and sexual abuse of children. Perhaps it might be good to change those if they exist.

And since we’re on the topic of laws. Perhaps we should look into Article 2 of the CPPCG, and, if Israel insists these people are prisoners of war, which seems to be the case with the venue of choice being a military court, Article 13 of the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War.

Surely the “only democracy in the Middle East” will adhere to most supreme of all laws?

[-] GoldenAxeDwarf@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

When you deal with a terrorist organization with no problem decapitating babies or sending bombs on children, then it's probably a good idea to make detainees prove they don't have bombs strapped to them...

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

You can do that with thermal cameras. Bomb vests are super clear on thermal imagery. Have been for 15 years.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

The Thai workers were released in the first wave. Don't conflate that with other stuff.

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