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Why would anyone vote for genocide Joe
Can you please explain to us what you're talking about? How Is Joe Biden "Genocide Joe"? And I guess you're a Trump supporter, why don't you call him "Trump the insurrectionist"? He did in fact try to take power on january 6, but I guess that's OK.
There's been a concerted push by these dillweeds lately whining about Biden monetarily supporting Israel -- something the US and literally every US president has done since Israel existed -- which somehow amounts to Biden personally performing any and all atrocities Israel is up to at the moment. Therefore the only logical thing to do must be to not vote for Biden or any other Democrats (unspoken subtext: and let Trump win instead).
It's such a narrow view.. Biden and his administration don't have anything to do with what's happening on the ground in Gaza, but In my view the US politics for decades have something to do with how it's become. If they where harder on Israel we might have had a different situation. That is not to say I agree with what this guy said. It's completely nonsense.
It's a deceitful presentation of the facts, ultimately. You can determine to vote for Biden in an effort to stave off fascism and not support his stance on Israel. Biden could have and should have not been so glib, and he clearly did not gauge the temperature of his electorate very well (if at all).
But these "Biden genocide" types often falsely imply there's a viable alternative that isn't Trump or Biden, yet they can never say who, and they can never show how that person would overcome the tribal and very reliable Republican voting bloc.
To be fair to Biden, the American public as a whole has been very pro-Israel for decades and I don't think anyone expected the surge in people on our side of this issue. To be honest, I didn't expect it either. It's great to see but not surprising he would have preemptively said he supports Israel no matter what before realizing how popular the Palestinian cause actually is.
Oh, for sure. His support of Israel fits perfectly with the kind of person he is: Catholic, Boomer, old career politician, respects what allyship means. Christianity (the non-fundie kind) has been the dominant religion for most of his life, and they've always felt a religious kinship with Israel.
If he was slower to rally to their aid, that would have been the truly surprising outcome.
lol. Nothing but the billions of dollars and military equipment. Even private US defense contractors over there "mowing the lawn".
The ethnic cleansing taking place in Palestine would not be able to take place without the US approval.
He will loose the election over this. It's a horrible fact, and I really wish that dæthe democratic party would line up a better candidate, since Trump winning will be a total decline into the fascist abyss.
He's a lemmy.ml user so I would suspect he's not a Trump supporter but instead someone who gulps down the propaganda the Kremlin and Beijing aim at the western left by the gallon.
Chances are he is Russian or Chinese
Ah, I didn't notice.. I myself are on the left.. But I don't take anything people on Lemmy.ml say seriously, and to be quite honest I'm very sceptical about the dev of lemmy as they clearly are communist, which is not very positive in today's world in my view.
Depends. Are we speaking about communism/socialism or dictatorships? America has fucked the word communist so hard it has no meaning anymore because of idiots attributing it to dictators.
Soooo I hadn't heard this before. I signed up for the second-most popular lemmy instance when I was just poking around without a serious commitment. I know hexbear has been crazy but didn't know lemmy.ml had a poor rep as well. As a very casual user that just wants to support a more diverse ecosystem which instance would you or others recommend?
Come over to sh.itjust.works we've got NCD, greentext, and gaming. Also dont be discouraged by NCD half of us are socialsts, because there nothing that can get someone harder than a worker owned American Military Industrial Complex.
Oh shit did I register on a bad server? 👀
Yes.
Where should I migrate to?
I was being somewhat facetious, because anywhere is fine if you're with it. But, imho, the better instances are catch all. Without some identity. Ml is borderline only because the loudest voices prevail. Make multiple accounts and fuck around, it's not that big a deal.
I just started to block people who are lying or saying things in bad faith and I think it'll clean up my experience really quickly.
I think you're right!
Is this third option in the room with us now?
Name one.
You're not very good at math, are you?
I would love to hear them. I've voted third party for president in every election I've been eligible to, purely as a protest vote (and because my California vote means essentially nothing.) But if everyone with the brains to do so did so it would only result in us splitting the left and waltzing the fascists who nearly win every time anyway with their brainwashed cultists right into uncontested power where they will further erode our voting rights.
Also the 3rd parties I typically vote for are essentially designed as spoiler parties for this exact purpose.
This isn't our "America brain" it's your small homogenous country brain.
But don't you see‽ If we all voted with our hearts, we'd have the best candidates, and Dems and Republicans would both lose! /s
American brain? I'm not even american 🤣
Well, it's part of the "them versus us" rethoric..
Trump is a straight up fascist. He will literally end what is left of the frail democratic system in the US.
I just don't see that as an argument for anything
So what you are saying is that Donald J Trump is going to come to the rescue of the oppressed Muslim people of Palestine? The same Trump whose Middle East peace plan was formulated by his Jewish son-in-law and basically said “give Israel what they want, and everything will be fine”?
Gotcha.
Not at all. He will be even worse. By a long shoot. I still don't see that as an argument for anything
Because they'd rather not live under a fascist dictator? Did you read the article?
Because if he's the frontrunner, the alternative is no more democracy.
If your representative democracy is not representing you. Then there already is no more democracy.
If I have a car, and it doesn't work anymore, do I still have a car?
Not a working car that you can use no..
But you still called it a car. Therefore, a broken democracy is still a democracy.
That is the saddest defense of a failed democracy I have ever heard
Imagine being unable to understand why people would vote against Donald Trump...
Ah yes, Genocide Joe, as opposed to Genocide Xi or Genocide Vladimir..
Are they on the ballot?
No, but curiously enough they had a foot in the White House, when it was Orange.
Trump wants to Genocide Americans, Americans like you.
Plot twist: that poster isn't American.
Most predictable plot twist of all plot twists ever.
It really is peak centrist liberal to be satisfied with the least horrible alternative.
Democracy is representative. If Noone represents you, why should you support them?