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submitted 11 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Had Donald Trump been the U.S. president hosting this week’s APEC meetings, I have no doubt that the headline from the event would have been unchanged. It would have been: “He’s a dictator.”

The only difference is it would be Xi Jinping who was saying it to describe Trump.

Other than that, though, a Trump-hosted APEC meeting would likely have been unrecognizably different from the successful and productive forum hosted by President Joe Biden.

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[-] Neato@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago
[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

If Jill Stein was working for Putin why would she publicly show herself sitting at the same table?

[-] Neato@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago

If Republicans were working for Putin would they fly to Moscow on the 4th of July?

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

What's hilarious is that all that nonsense caused Trump's policy to be far tougher on Russia in terms of economic sanctions as well as escalation over Ukraine.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Notice how not one liberal replied to this because you all don't actually study US policy.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Or we just think your claim about Trump was stupid.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Trump did in fact escalate sanctions on Russia, as well as provide addition funding to Ukraine's military.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

as well as provide addition funding to Ukraine’s military.

Someone doesn't remember why he was impeached the first time...

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That doesn't address what I said at all. Now I suppose it's time for you to insult me again.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Yes it does. Trump did in fact give more weapons to Ukraine's military.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

That still doesn't address what I said either.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It does. The narrative that Trump was working for Putin is so obviously false.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I never said Trump was working for Putin. You're putting words in my mouth again. Why can't you have an honest discussion?

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

That's what the first impeachment was about, working with Putin to influence the election.

[-] osarusan@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago

Oh man, what a defense!

"Your honor, if I was the murderer, why would I have been at the scene of the crime, holding the murder weapon in my hand? I mean, that would be too obvious!"

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

You have literally no evidence, just wild accusations

[-] osarusan@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

What wild accusation did I make? Show me please.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

You insinuated my argument defending Jill Stein against being a russian asset was not a credible defense. The accusations against her are wild and unsubstantiated.

[-] osarusan@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

I made no accusation. I just mocked your absolutely bonkers comment saying that Jill Stein publicly sitting down and spending time with Putin proves that she is not affiliated with Putin. The term "wild and unsubstantiated" is something you might want to reflect deeply upon.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

The claims are literally wild and unsubstantiated. A woman trying to run for president has the right to. If democrats are going to make the accusation then they need evidence.

What was the meeting about? What did they say to each other? You don't know and don't care.

[-] osarusan@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Dude, I made no claims. I was mocking you. And you're somehow reading into that some anti-women's rights message? Where are you coming up with this nonsense? You can't be serious.... are you a troll?

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

And I'm mocking you for supporting such a ridiculous narrative attacking me.

[-] osarusan@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Ah yes, the "i know you are but what am i" response. Got it.

If mocking is your goal you're doing a shit job of it. You've been on the defensive and getting upset about things nobody said this entire time. If that's what mocking looks like to you, yours must be a confusing mind to live in.

[-] Throbbing_Banjo@midwest.social 10 points 11 months ago

You can't actually think that's a credible defense, come on now

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Where is Jill Stein Russian oil money?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Are you actually saying someone who works for Putin wouldn't publicly show herself with Putin?

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Yes she would know better than to do that.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago
[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Her successful career as a physician shows she is capable of intelligent thought, something you struggle with.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Insulting me is not evidence. Neither is saying she's a successful physician. That has nothing to do with why she appears with Putin.

I'm not surprised you're resorting to insults though.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Baseless accusations are not evidence.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I didn't make any accusations. But that didn't stop you from insulting me.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Are you actually saying someone who works for Putin wouldn’t publicly show herself with Putin?

This you? You're accusing her of working for Putin with no evidence.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That is not an accusation, nor was it specifically about her. Which I think you know. But you'd rather hurl insults at everyone than actually have a legitimate discussion.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Good that you accept there is no evidence to support her working for Putin.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I never said that either. Are you really unable to have a discussion without insults and putting words in people's mouths?

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Are you actually saying someone who works for Putin wouldn’t publicly show herself with Putin?

This you?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

That was a question. There is a difference between a question and an accusation. Again, I think you know that. But you are here in bad faith.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Nope I'm here because the title of the post was incorrect.

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