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Progressive Leaders Warn Biden's Support for Gaza 'Slaughter' Risks Millions of Young Votes
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I am done voting for the lesser evil.
All it does is increase the overall evil.
We have been increasing the overall evil for FAR too long.
I saw comments just like this usher trump into office the first time.
I don't care.
Lesser evil rhetoric is horse-shit.
Not to mention Hilary wouldn't have been any better. If she got in office we would probably still be balls deep in war with Syria. She rigged the DNC and ushered in Trump.
Don't regret not voting for her. I do regret voting for Biden's genocide though.
This is your answer.
Then have a real primary. If no one can beat Biden, what is there to lose?
I’m so tired of having this argument.
I voted 3rd party in 2016, and guess what happened? Outside of organizing some massive vote for a 3rd party candidate, all you're doing is preaching to the choir. Ineffectively.
We do what we can.
Then force your party to support better candidates?
Elect better candidates in the primary? This year there is an incumbent. Let's defeat, not elect, the greater evil.
And the incumbent is massively funding genocide and is trying to make that funding a closed door black box process.
Don't support the rapist con artist fascist. Don't support the genocidal fascist.
Only support good people.
Your hyperbole is ridiculous. Trump actually is those things, and not voting for Biden is equivalent to supporting him. Replace first-past-the-post then vote for whoever you like, until then your obstinance is stupid and self-sabotaging.
Yes, by making the voter turnout abysmal.
Don't give ANY corrupt assholes the stats to allow them to claim they are what America wants.
If you have noone worth voting for, be loudly disenfranchised.
This is an excellent quote and fits the situation perfectly
Then the party needs to address this better this time around.
That's what primaries are for.
The DNC is clandestine.
They hold a primary election to make you feel involved, then they throw a party and put forth whoever they feel like it.
Same model as the electoral college but with zero accountability instead of virtually no accountability.
All your vote does is inform The Party that you are buying their horseshit.
Ok what is your solution? Or are you just trying to stir things up and then give up?
A vote isn't a say in anything in particular.
A vote is raising your hand in the attendance check.
Stop giving corrupt people your attendance.
Register independent. Vote on laws, not people. Pray the fire smothers without your fuel (your vote) so that we can finally build anew.
you can be done with it as much as you like but that doesn’t change reality… FPTP is absolute shit: vote for the lesser evil or you get the greater evil… that’s just the way it is
want something different? you have to change the system first
that’s just reality. deal with it or vulnerable people die and hate wins
Biden, your lesser evil, is making America bankroll the murdering of Palestinian children.
If you vote for Biden, you are making yourself accomplice in that.
Yes. Change the system. Stop voting for The Party.
cool cool cool so vote for trump and things get even worse for the palestinians
again, reality is fucked but that doesn’t change that it’s reality… work within the bounds of what’s possible rather than pissing into the wind because you don’t like the options
Not voting for Trump either...
Are we in the same conversation?
I explicitly said I refuse to vote for The Party.
Not touching the trolley lever is still a choice.
Absofuckinglutely.
Then don't complain when the trolley goes one way or another.
You can't have it both ways -- if you choose not to vote, you choose to not influence the outcome. And if you aren't trying to change the outcome, you shouldn't bitch about what the outcome is. It's like saying you're fine with going anywhere for dinner, but then you spend the whole night complaining about the restaurant I picked.
Fuck you.
The fact that I didn't vote has a MUCH LARGER impact than being complicit in being forced to choose rapist conman or genocide enthusiasts.
I choose neither. Any sane person would. Any bezos or Musk slave would press a button then hope it let's them pee today.
What impact did you have by not voting then? What did you accomplish, and how did it further your goals? All you did was pat yourself on the back.
To your credit though, I should rephrase -- you have no right to complain about something that could've changed if you voted. If A would get you +$500 and B gets you -$500, and you don't vote for either, then don't complain about losing $500.
Also I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say there at the end.
Actually, not voting shows you don't care one way or another, the exact opposite of your intended effect.
okay so you’re making a choice that as long as you’re not involved it’s okay for trump to win
No.
My vote is my chunk of coal.
In a different world, I would be giving my chunk of coal to the person who has a plan to keep all of us warm through the winter, with our collective coal.
In a different world, I would not be giving my chunk of coal to a dude who would use all our coal to keep his mansion toasty.
In this world, I won't toss my chunk of coal into either dumpster fire.
I'll just keep my piece of coal. At least get an hour of warmth before I face the actual winter.
That's a beautiful metaphor but you're still not acknowledging the reality of the situation where by not voting you are making the things you don't like worse for yourself.
It still doesn't quite work though because a vote has no inherent use outside an election. You aren't going to be able to turn it in for free food or rent.
There are 2 major fires.
I'm not throwing fuel at the base of either.
giving your lump of coal to the guy that keeps his mansion warm is better than giving it to the guy that uses it to light a fire to burn witches
again, it’s the choice between mostly ineffective and actually malicious
Except a chunk of coal has uses. An uncast vote has absolutely zero. Your vote is either +1, 0, or - 1 to a candidate (zero being not voting or third party). Not voting makes you complicit regardless. It could prevent one person from being elected. You're always complicit. If you're paying taxes you're complicit.
As it turns out, we live in a society, and your at least partially responsible for what happens in that society no matter what you do.
Vote in your primaries and get involved with other things too, but not voting is an action that makes you complicit with either side being elected. At least voting for someone has the chance of losing and you not having been a part of it.
You have yet to understand the power of a 0 throw.
I'm not doing nothing. I'm not passively doing the worst.
I'm flipping the monopoly board.
you’re not flipping the monopoly board… you’re passing on your turn and all that does is ensure that someone else decides for you
No, don't you get it? They're absolutely a revolutionary. We will tell tales of their societal impact for generations.
No.. You aren't.. You're saying "I'm okay with either one"
Also, the only people even considering changing the system are the democrats. The democrats actually do have some forward looking people. The establishment sucks though.
it’s literally in their interests too: given how completely rigged the republicans have made things, changing the system is the democrats best selfish choice
Vote harderer Melkath! This time will be different then the last 13 times. Promise. Trust the neoliberal plan. It hasn’t… failed……us……… yet.
I'm with you.
Not sure if you are agreeing with me or misunderstanding me.
I’m agreeing.
Voting hard just enshrined abortion rights into the constitution of Ohio, which will save quite a lot of women's lives.
Dunno if you care about that, but hey, I bet the women who would otherwise be destitute mothers or dead are happy with it.