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[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 year ago

Nobody answered me. Is there PROOF of the 50% claim here?

How can I view non-biased information about the war?

[-] TiKa444@feddit.de 28 points 1 year ago

It's hard to say, that it's prooved. Probably even the US Ministry of Defence has no totaly exact lists.

But there are good estimations based on reports and leaked footage.

For example oryx has a list with destroyed vehicles and equipment based on photographic or videographic evidence. The real numbers are probably significantly higher.

After this list the russian army lost more than 2000 tanks. Ukrainian sources says that the Invasion started with more than 3000 tanks.

Ca. 1000 of the 2000 lost tanks were T-72 (the most common tank in the russian army). According to estimations russia has 2000 T-72 in active service and maybe 10.000 or more as reserves. The reserves are mostly remnants of the soviet Union and old models that are never modernized. Satellite pictures show that a big part of this reserves are stored in open depots with no weather protection. Maybe russia could make some of this vehicles usable, it will cost Billions to repair and modernize them.

So, no there is no proof, that the ukrainian army destroyed 50% of the russian forces. But there are proofs that russia lost a significant part of its active forces (probably something close to this claim) and that they definitly lost much more value than the americans, the europeans, ect. invested in the ukrainian army.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/tanks-russia-how-many-putin-military-ukraine-leopard-2-abrams-2108097

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-72

[-] hamid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

Of course not because it is total and complete nonsense

[-] Mouette@jlai.lu 10 points 1 year ago

50% is absolutely outrageous, I mean it's clearly war propaganda they could have said 200% who cares.

[-] jatone@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

wikipedia napkin math. with 1.15 million and at least two million reserve personnel.

~3.15 million personelle. ukraine hasnt killed that many; probably around 300k. their probably talking about the number of troops in ukraine. which is probably around 700k for the duration of the war. if you count just the 1.15mil is probably close to it now.

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