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Anarchism. We used it for most of human history, hierarchical societies are only 6k years old. The human species has existed for 200k years.
Teenage anarchism ideologies basically boild down to "So I won't have to go to school and read anymore". If they actually knew what anarchism is, they'd be surprised to learn that there is a lot of reading to do in order to fully understand an anarchist society or one of its many sub-structures.
Anarchy doesn't necessarily mean chaos without structure, as many believe. However, chaos without structure is one of the variants of anarchy.
Anarchy literally means feudalism within a generation
Most laws that exist serve to protect private property. An anarchist society wouldn't have private property, so most laws that exist would be to punish transgressions between individuals. Political anarchy is not "do whatever you want, whenever you want, no exceptions". It's a direct democracy without hierarchy, with elected stewards to manage the shared property in a library economy.
anarchism does not have to mean absence of law
sorry but you're wrong, it's a lot more complicated than that
Anarchism means without rulers, not without rules
Anarchism is not the absence of law.
So why don't YOU take your teenager education and learn more?
It's almost like having a job that pays okay is still A) Not making me happy and B) contributing to the Earth's destruction.
I love working the majority of my waking life just to scrape by, what a wonderful system where the only escape is being born privileged or working yourself even closer to death and taking advantage of other people to start a business
The world might be ending but at least I have expensive things!
Total horseshit.
Name one society based on Anarchism
Instead of just one, here's a whole Wikipedia article on the subject.
Those do not meet the criteria of what was asked.
Examples of intentional anarchical societies don't meet the criteria of anarchical societies?
This was the actual original request
Nothing on that page is an example of this
I spent 5 seconds during my morning routine to look this up. Would you rather I spend 3 hours writing a dissertation on all of the indigenous communities that have existed since prehistory that are structured in an egalitarian and anarchical way? You're also allowed to look this shit up. I recommend Andrewism on youtube, he pulls a lot of examples from anarchical indigenous societies
I'd rather you not post dumb pro-anarchy takes. That requires 0 seconds out of your day.
Got it, we're not allowed to question bourgeois democracy or capitalism. Good to know. I've officially stopped being an anarcho-syndicalist because you don't like it.
I don't care what you do because no percent of the population is suddenly going to rise up in an anarchist wave, ever
Go start a commune. I don't care. I genuinely wish you and your (149 or fewer, ideally) friends well.
The fact that you think anyone who isn't an anarchist must be a capitalist shows you understand politics at the level of a toddler.
That's cute. Please, tell me what you know about political anarchy.
And where are they today?
Long-term =/= Permanent
Humans have existed much, MUCH longer than our current structure of civilization.
The title of the article actually disproves your assertion.
Are you joking? Ever heard of tribalism? Even monkeys use it.
Yes, because everyone everywhere for all of history has followed the exact same formula for organizing and defending their tribes.
Tribes are not anarchies. They have leaders. Put any group of people together and a hierarchy naturally forms. You actually have to work really, really hard to prevent this. That's why anarchies are so unstable and rarely last longer than a few years.
But we evolved away from it as our societies and needs became more complex. Maybe it worked when we were hunter gatherers living in caves but modern society requires a heriarchy to organise and maintain it.
Many complex societies were egalitarian eg Cucatenia Trypillia, IVC etc.
We didn’t “evolve” away from egalitarianism because complexity yada yada yada. Hierarchy just won because it’s more oppressive and violent.
Let's say you're right. How can anarchy win, then?
So… an evil system that puts the majority of people on the bottom to be exploited is ok because it’s more violent and kills all other systems?
I’m not a tactician, or strategist.
I don’t care how it can win. It has to, or we all will die lmao.
Why do we need hierarchy? Are you unable to make decisions?
To organise and manage. Who's going to set and control healthcare? The economy? Utilities? Infrastructure? Defence?Education? Justice? Social care? I don't have the time nor will to make informed decisions about every single policy or law. I'd imagine the vast majority of people are ere same. We have representatives to make these decisions for us.
All of those "problems" are predicated on the ideas that private ownership of the means of production is necessary, that borders are a natural phenomenon, and that the social ills under capitalism are facts of life experienced by everyone in every era. None of that is true. Why don't you have the time or energy to help organize and be involved with your community? Is it because of work? We've made tremendous strides in automating the means of production, but what has that meant for us? More people unemployed and unable to pay for the necessities in life, while we maintain the 40 hour work week to do the same work in one day as a 100 hour work week in 1900. We don't need to move at this breakneck pace to make someone else billions of dollars.
I don't think any of the things I listed have anything to do with who owns the means of production. They're all public (well maybe not in every country) services. And policy and regulation has to be set for them as time goes on.
Honestly, I don't want to be much involved in my community. It just doesn't interest me, I'd rather spend time with my family or spend time on my hobbies.
I disagree on that, but I don't have the mental health capacity anymore to elaborate.
That's understandable too, and we should have the ability to do so without a pursuit of wages. The coercive nature of work prevents you from enjoying the things you want to enjoy. Personally, I consider the theft of our free time cruelty. I want to have time to see my friends and family that live hours away. I want to work on the apps I started in college. I want to go fishing. I want to be a contributing member of my community. I can't do any of that, because I need to pay for food, rent, electricity, vehicle maintenance, my education loan, and more. A system that forces us to suppress our desires in favor of seeking a wage is unjust, and does far more harm to people as a society than anything an individual could do on their own. I don't want to turn those personal apps into a "side-hustle", I just want to make something in the hopes that at least someone finds it useful and can enjoy it. I want a society that encourages our kindhearted, social, and generous nature, not one that purely emphasizes our greedy side.
I agree that common people need to do more organizing, but all that organizing will be a waste of time without a hierarchy. I've seen it happen loads of times. You get a bunch of people together with a lot of passion, but nobody can decide on an agenda or a plan, and all of that energy evaporates and nothing gets accomplished.
Exactly. They couldn't even decide on "one demand", which was the original impetus.
Hunter-gatherers have hierarchies, too. Don't buy this BS.