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First Lady Jill Biden tested positive for COVID-19 on Monday night, according to a statement. Jill Biden is experiencing mild symptoms and will stay at their home in Rehoboth Beach, Del., her commu…

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[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

That might be the case globally. Regardless, it was never addressed adequately in the US. Practically everyone I know is dealing with some consequence of long COVID and we're totally behind on vaccination because the issue was so politicized. If you look at this, what's still going on at the border (a fucking racist wall to keep a certain ethnicity out), human rights being challenged EVERYWHERE and his climate policy it's clear Biden doesn't care all that much about things a leftist president should, at the very least.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

As an actual leftist, I can say with a great deal of authority that Biden is NOT a leftist President. He's very much capitalist, like Trump

[-] HarkMahlberg@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Regardless, it was never addressed adequately in the US.

A problem created by Trump.

(1) we’re totally behind on vaccination because (2) the issue was so politicized

Both problems created by Trump.

what’s still going on at the border

A problem created by Trump and continued by Texas's state government.

human rights being challenged EVERYWHERE

There are more conservatives EVERYWHERE than there are President Bidens ANYWHERE.

and his climate policy

Won't disagree here, he could do a lot more here.

A lot of your complaints are problems created by conservatives and criminals, that Biden hasn't been able to fix. He's not a progressive superhero and he was never going to be. He's a janitor, and I don't see any productivity in getting mad at the guy holding a mop. Yeah, I would have loved Bernie or Warren too, but with the double whammy of first past the post voting and billionaire conservative power-brokers, Biden was always going to be better than the alternative.

[-] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He's not trump, yeah yeah. Still doesn't change the fact he has done a shit job as "janitor" and wasn't anybody's first choice except those that convienently ignore his past comments and actions as a individual (smelling little girls, defending segregation, joking about running over reporters, just vile career politician stuff all the way through) But regardless, that shouldn't be his whole sell though, and it is. I wish I was wrong, but you really can't deny it's a super weak one.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

smelling little girls

I never got this criticism. It's weird, but it doesn't hurt anyone. It's not sexually or physically abusive, it's just an odd thing to do.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Also fascinating to watch so many self-proclaimed "leftists" parrot Fox News talking points. I swear I think some of these people want the fascists to win so they can get their chance to cosplay revolutionary.

Zero acknowledgement that every revolution in history has violently decimated the working class and only replaced one power hierarchy with another. Oh, but their revolution is gonna be totally different...

[-] HarkMahlberg@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

You never got the criticism because it was not actual criticism, it was a malicious meme generated and amplified by the alt right to smear Biden.

I'm literally going to start at the Know Your Meme page and look up the people in the Spread section:

On February 17th, 2015, Redditor gaylord__focker uploaded a photograph of Biden whispering into the ear of Stephanie Carter

https://old.reddit.com/user/gaylord__focker/ (troll)

On February 18th, Redditor Bossman1086 posted a gif of the moment to /r/gifs.

https://old.reddit.com/user/Bossman1086/?sort=controversial (libertarian)

On November 22nd, 2017, YouTuber Paul Joseph Watson uploaded a video titled "Creepy Uncle Joe,"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Joseph_Watson (the entire Wikipedia intro)

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

That's probably because he is anything but leftist.

[-] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah dude's a staunch conservative by any reasonable metric, regardless of what the democrats want everyone to think.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Most of his policies were too far right for even Reagan. But we are not supposed to talk about Biden's history prior to 2019.

[-] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

People fail to acknowledge he was Obama's VP, too. Nobody wants to admit he's at least partly the reason Trump gained enough traction to come into office at all in the first place.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Trump is Obama's legacy, had he not turned it on the typical neolib POS the party wouldn't have lost

[-] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

did you even read the article you linked? kind garbage is "well ackshyually, it's endemic so the pandemic is over!" that doesn't mean that covid isn't a real threat. That's the stupidest fucking argument you could have possibly made. Know what else is endemic? AIDS. Hepatitis. Malaria. Tuberculosis. Fucking Polio. Changing status from pandemic to epidemic doesn't magically make it affect less people. It's really heartless tbh

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

When did Biden say that COVID isn't a real threat?

[-] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Are you replying to the right commend friend? I didn't say he said that.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

And we...have treatments and/or vaccines and public health campaigns for all of those endemic infections just like we will continue to do for Covid?

I'm not sure why you think endemic is a judgement of risk. It's not. It's an epidemiological definition.

[-] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not even remotely arguing about the semantics of epidemiology, I'm arguing that it's heartless to argue pedantic shit like that when it's clearly still affecting people and still needs to be taken seriously, which the original poster is pointing out, and correctly so, that it's not. The administration pushed for business as usual, choosing the stock market over peoples' health. And you're over here injecting that "well technically the word pandemic comes from the greek word pan. NO, that's not what's being discussed here at all

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Except no one pushed for business as usual? Quarantines and higher level pandemic interventions are not appropriate for an endemic infection. We should be vaccinating and masking when there's an increase in Covid infections. But we should also be doing that for influenza and we don't.

I'm not arguing semantics. Pandemic vs. endemic is a factual epidemiological definition. The problem is that we routinely choose not to deal with dangerous endemic infections like influenza. We should always have been doing more.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

"If we stop trying to control covid everyone will keep getting it forever" isn't a prediction, it's reckless behavior.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When did we stop trying to control influenza? We didn't. Endemic is just an epidemiological definition.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

When did we stop trying to control influenza? We didn't.

We didn't?

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago
[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It wasn't endemic when we could have stopped it, jackass.

Again, "If we give up everyone will keep getting it" is not smart prediction, it is reckless indifference.

We could have shut down and vaxxed up (at gun point) early in the plague and stopped it.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

We were never going to completely eliminate this virus. No epidemiological expert ever suggested that was possible. The 1918 pandemic flu also became just another annually circulating endemic virus. That's how it works

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Because. You fuckers. Refuse to fight disease.

Saying "it would have been impossible" doesn't make you any less culpable in the death you contribute to by spreading that lie.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You are reading a whole lot of stuff I have never said.

I'm a nurse who spent the entire pandemic in ICUs with patients dying of Covid. I fully advocated quarantines and mask policies (and still advocate masking). I was one of the earliest people in the entire nation to get the vaccine (two weeks after it was approved) and we were all in a queue high-fiving each other as we got our shots.

Even if we had done all of that perfectly, Covid would not have been completely eliminated and would have become an endemic virus. Because that's how it works.

Endemic is not a judgement of risk. It is a factual epidemiological definition. From a public health standpoint, you don't address an endemic infection the same way you address a novel pandemic one because those interventions will not be effective.

We should continue masking and vaccinating when there is an increase in Covid cases the same way we should have been doing (and weren't) for influenza for the past century.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Funny how "we couldn't have wiped it out" when we eradicated an entire strain of flu during the half-assed lockdowns we did do.

We could have done better than we did, and fuckers screaming, "If we ignore it it will become endemic so stop fighting disease" are a huge reason why.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Epidemiological experts said it would become endemic eventually no matter what we did while simultaneously saying that we should have rigorous control measures in place. Those two statements are not contradictory

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

no matter what we did

And there we go. "It's going to become endemic no matter what" as an excuse to do nothing.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

while simultaneously saying that we should have rigorous control measures in place

?

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

While simultaneously spreading the lie that was used to justify (and is still being used to justify) inaction.

We could have prevented the situation we are in now.
We collectively chose to actively make things worse and the lies you are spreading were the exact ones used to justify that course of active inaction.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Epidemiological facts are not lies. How people react and what they choose to do with those facts doesn't change the facts

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The fact is we could have stopped this with enough political will, we chose not to.

The choice to do this was defended using the same words you are regurgitating now.
You should stop.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago
[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Checking if you have a fever? Too bad we didn't wipe this out when we had the chance, huh?

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Why do you not believe the experts who said we should do everything we could to control Covid and that even if we did everything we could to control Covid, it would eventually become an endemic infection. What part of that is difficult to understand?

I am not an antivaxxer. I completely supported quarantines. Facts about how pandemics work are still facts.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

What part of "You are using antivaxer talking points" do you not get?

You are repeating word for word the exact justification that was given for ignoring covid.

even if (as you claim) you are not on their side you should not repeat their talking points.

We could have not been where we are now. People saying the words you are saying now is why we are were we are and frankly all of you can fuck off.

It is possible to control disease.
...if you want to at any rate and "It's endemic!" is the rallying cry of people who don't want to.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Antivaxxers choosing to use facts disingenuously to push their agenda doesn't change those facts.

Endemic is a factual statement, an epidemiological definition. It doesn't dictate policy anymore than any other scientific definition does. It is indifferent to politics.

Covid is endemic. We should continue to mask and vaccinate when there is an increase in Covid cases.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Stop repeating their talking points?

You earlier said "we can't control the flu" even though we can and already did make an entire strain go extinct.

I doubt you are on the side you claim you are.

We could have wiped this out.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I give up. Don't believe the epidemiologists ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Like you've given up attempting to control disease? Figures.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago
[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

So much for giving up. Now apply that to disease and maybe I won't have to watch my friends die anymore.

[-] CollisionResistance@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago
[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The lung.org article I linked is dated January 21, 2022

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