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My issue is if you want to bike in the streetlike a car, then you have to obey car rules. Like stopping at stop lights and stop signs. If you want to ride on the sidewalk then you have to obey pedestrian rules, like crossing at the correct times. Thr number of cyclists I've seen blow through stop signs and stop lights is staggering.
When cycling like a pedestrian here, such as on a shared bike/footpath, you do follow pedestrian rules at crossings. So lights are only advisory and you may cross at any time if you want to.
to be fair, it's not like fewer cyclists are following the rules than drivers
You say that, but drivers would lose their minds bicyclists followed the same rules. Example: Taking the whole lane.
I wish bikes just took the whole lane like a car. Half assing it either way is really the problem.
I don't disagree, but the reason we don't is because of the intense road rage it causes in drivers.
I'm aware
It's called vehicular cycling and it's a safer way to cycle.
Also often called "taking the primary position". It's often done to prevent close passes by forcing drivers who want to overtake to wait for a gap in the next lane
That or if you are in a group you cycle next to each other, so you are together taking up a comparable width of a car.
That is the one which angers carbrains the most. Yet it is the safer way to ride.
I first found John Forester's book in the library in the 90s, and it felt like a tome of secret, special knowledge. Then, I read more of it, and it did not match my experiences.
Jason Slaughter has now done a very extensive takedown video on his Not Just Bikes channel, which is far more congruent with what I have seen. Taking the lane is effective when there's no other choice, when it's too narrow for cars to pass, but drivers will try anyway.
Otherwise, there's very little that's safe about it.
Thanks for shouting it out! I've been putting off watching that video for weeks but I'll give it a go based on the recommendation here.
Video for reference
Man, it's almost as if we need a third thing. A sort of, road for bicycles (or long, skinny concentration camp, if you prefer) which is suited to bicycling without getting in the way. Get those bloody cyclists off our roads and footpaths, those are for us!
How would you implement this? Are they going to have bridges over every traffic light?
I live in a city in the US that has "bike lights" at the intersections. These give bicyclists the right of way without "letting" cars go as well.
Little longer of a traffic light, but makes biking waaaaay more approachable for newbie bicyclists (like me!)
Unfortunately, this is the only place I've ever seen them implemented.
Seen some in the UK, usually its timed so that it gives bikes a head start instead of only bikes go.
Toronto has a pretty sweet setup with bike lanes that have their own bike street lamps. Seems to work very well for a city of millions.
The Netherlands would like a word.
Granted. But they were originally built with cyclists in mind. I would love their infrastructure!
No it wasn't
The Netherlands was as car-brained as most other countries. Then, they changed course after the Stop de Kindermoord (Stop Murdering Children) protests, and started to build for people outside of cars. The process of rebuilding is still underway, now, in 2026.
The difference is not that the Netherlands was originally built for bicycles. It was not. The difference is that Americans don't give two shits about the lives of children.
Extensive unlit tunnels five feet tall and two and a half feet wide. Entry and exit is by vertical shaft only.
I'm so down for this!
Dutch people: "both of those are dumb and dangerous"
Some places you don’t have to. Here, a stop sign is a yield for bikes, and a red light is a stop sign, legally. It works really well imo.