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Hot take - soda is priced correctly in 2026. It's a luxury and is quite bad for your health.
You're not wrong. But by that logic water based products would be cheaper. Which it sadly isn't. Often the contrary.
The US very rarely uses price to incentivize good practices and vice versa.
I just wish the reason would be a tax on sugar which is then used to subsidise more healthy options. But I don't believe that to be the case here. :(
UK introduced a tax on high sugar drinks a few years ago. Most drinks changed their recipe to be under the threshold and taste weird now. Coca Cola was the only one that didn't. I just looked and a 24 pack of cans is £15.25 for original where diet and zero are on sale at £8.50. The tax is only about £2 on that though so no idea why it's so much more.
I pretty much entirely stopped drinking all of them though because I can't stand the taste now so I guess the tax worked. They are lowering the sugar threshold again in a couple years so I imagine more recipe changes are coming.
That’s not a bad idea. It is addictive. Tax it like alcohol and tobacco. I’ve watched a subset of diabetics scream that they need sugar no matter what healthcare tries to say about it. Tears. More often, anger and spiteful overconsumption in reaction to being told no. (A subset, not all.)
If a diabetic has low blood sugar, then they literally DO need sugar, and fast!
Which is true, and a good argument in favor of diabetics having easy access to sugary things -- not having them when they're needed can literally be life-threatening. It is not, however, am argument for everyone having easy access to them -- corporations bet on people getting addicted to them, and sugary drinks in particular give a sharp increase in risk for developing diabetes (according to one study, 25% increase in risk per 16oz sugary drink per day).
There's no question that sugar is bad for you. I just wanted to point out that the person I was replying to was VERY wrong about what diabetes is and how it works.
I was one of those people who knew my lifestyle was unhealthy, and turning it around was always just one week away. The diagnosis of type II felt like a loss of agency. Like it was no longer my choice to cut back on, or to cut out sugar.
Once the initial shock of diagnosis and grief over all the foods I'd lost settled down, the truth was clear. I had made the choice. The choice to open every single one of those sodas, the choice to go with convenience over health. The choice to kick the can down the road, and I still had the choice to diet, or die slowly.
Not gonna lie and say my diet is perfect now but, according to my NP, my labs paint the picture of someone successfully managing diabetes. I know I still have some work to do though.
Not easy, you’ve done well.
Thanks!
That's what we are doing in Finland. Sugar free drinks are taxed at 20c/l but other drinks can go up to 59c/l depending on the sugar amount
Just checked prices from one grocery store and coke zero 24-pack is 15.50€ while the regular one is 19.50€
Does that include artificial sweeteners? I have some sort of prejudice against them that I couldn't substantiate with research, but one thing is certain: none of them felt good to me.
I am much happier with drinking less sweet beverages overall, but made with regular sugar. Actually tend to spend less that way, even if I pay more for less - I just happen to be buying that much less frequently that way.
Overall, Coke is most affordable compared with minimum wage in England, especially when Coke Zero is on offer, then Helsinki; in the US it takes the most minimum-wage work to buy a litre, and because regular and sugar-free cost exactly the same, there’s no price incentive at all to choose the sugar-free one.
In England for a 24 pack (330ml?), sugar is £15 (€17.5, $20 USD), sugar free is £12 with a deal for £8.50 (€10, $11.5 USD), no deals for the sugar one! £12.71 is minimum wage here (€14.86, $17.21 USD). In US Walmart I see 24 pack of sugar and non sugar for $15.37 USD (12 OZx24) and US minimum wage is $7.25 USD (£5.40, €6.30).
Random story: I saw a diabetic refuse to have his gangrenous "pinky toe" removed to save his life. Not even a foot, just the one smallest toe. I think about him sometimes.
I think it's been proven sugar is literally an addictive substance; it's hard to say no when it's not your rational mind in control. I have "pre"diabetes even though I never ate sugar; but I ate lots of other carbs and got unlucky. Rice and pasta and (non-American) bread every day sort of thing.
I come from an ethnicity of starvation and poverty, and there's growing research showing that diabetes actually used to be a protective adaptation. The idea is that, if you didn't have many carbs per day, just stretch out that 1 carrot for the whole day. It makes sense in that lens.
Then, overnight, society changed, and we're eating 30 carrots worth of carbs every day. Body didn't get the memo and makes those carbs last as long as possible, as it used to, but now it's a bad thing and causes high blood sugar.
A coworker at my previous work laughed when I said I'm addicted to sugar in the similar way he's addicted to cigarettes. Most people seem to be ignorant about it.
In a similar vein this is why island nations have the highest rate of obesity. Their metabolism adapted to scarcity. But some people want to convince everyone that it's as simple as calories-in-calories-out, as if every body works the same..
People should try a month of avoiding sugar. Most won't make it a day.
I used to get irritated at the "It's just as simple as ci;co" attitude on r/loseit. For a different reason though.
It's more than calories in, calories out. It's shopping, and prepping, and cooking, and cleaning, and more prepping, and dishes, and........
And having the spoons to do all of that consistently. 😮💨
That’s definitely one take on unfettered corporate greed.
I would agree with you If those prices weren’t being set by corporations raking in record profits.
Average American drinks 45 gallons of soda a year. Most don't even drink water any more.
But microplastics now cause everything.
Do you have a source for that or even honestly believe it yourself?
We teach our students on family medicine interview to ask if patients ever drink a glass of water. Most students are shocked to hear how many people never drink beverages that aren't sweetened. This is a North American phenomenon. Then, those patients are in clinic with obesity and eventually type 2 DM. In Europe , water is served with every meal.
If you want to be a FIGJAM, research it yourself.
Most countries teach children in schools how to eat healthy. For years, the FDA has called burger, fries Coke a balanced meal because corporate interests infiltrated government and universities. Harvard told us for decades sugar diets were better than high fat diets, because they were paid to. Candy bars were being sold as low fat healthy options , now people call them sports energy protein bars.
I looked it up before making my comment and couldn't find any info about what % of Americans drink water, only info about average volume of water consumption and average volume of soft drink consumption.
You are right that there is a problem in North America with soft drink vs water consumption and it sounds like you know more about it than I do. I only called out your original statement that "most don't even drink water" because it seems like a huge stretch beyond what the research I was able to find can actually support. The idea that >50% of people in America don't drink water regularly or ever still seems absurd to me. I struggle to think you even believe it yourself.
No it's fairly common when you include coffee and water in food for people to get by with rarely having just drink a glass of pure water.
If we only drink soda, 45 gallons sounds disastrously small. Since we're supposed to drink at least 64 Oz of water a day (or a gallon). We can't possibly be that dehydrated.
64oz a day hydration is junk science debunked years ago. Drink water when thirsty.
JFC! No wonder my doctor is surprised I don't have type 2 despite a family history. Mfers need ~~Jesus~~ to hydrate.
Yeah but what about corn subsidies?
If only they were able to create soda with zero sugar...
Hotter take - Diet soda is even more of a luxury because it has practically zero nutritional value. There are some people who benefit from the sugar in soda as it's calories that sustain life. Of course that's not most people.
Ehh, it's still liquid at the end of the day. We going to call beef a luxury because chicken or tofu has more nutritional value (I do not know if this is true. This is just a random theoretical).
Explain seltzer
The cost of my CO2 cylinders for my fish tank haven't gone up nearly as much as sodas and seltzer.
Seltzer, or carbonated water, is water infused with carbon dioxide, creating bubbles. It can aid digestion and serve as a low-calorie alternative to sugary drinks, but excessive consumption may lead to gas, bloating, or exacerbate acid reflux in some individuals.
AI ass response
So is doom scrolling on Lemmy 🙄
It's like you want to lose elections and make sure fascism is king.
Just mind your own business, Jesus Christ.
This comparison is so ridiculous that in the end I decided not to argue against it. I can't believe some people.
Yes, social media has never ever made anybody believe shitty things or make shitty decisions.
But I know, taxing social media use is unfathomable because it would cost you money despite the obvious social rand mental health risks.
No, Facebook, tiktok, Reddit, fediverse, blue sky, all without consequences or effects at the personal or socialital levels.
Incoming triade about how fediverse algorithms are unique because they only follow easily exploitable hottest and popular models and this place definitely isn't just the most displaced small populations of progressives, anarchists, and trans community members with their own biases and immediate fuck you's to anyone who doesn't wholly agree with their objectives.
Pick your battles. I very much think having a megaphone to the Internet has been more problematic to my life than fucking Coke.
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He's addicted to soda. His diabetes and obesity are gEnEtIc mIcROpLaStIcS.
175 , mostly lean. I'll do 260w on the bike in an hour and this afternoon I'll do 14k lifting.
I'll beat most nearly every one of my peers in age and I'd be more than happy to put up a nice bet, based on my odds here on charity that I'd outperform your mouthy body in a general athletics competition.
But alas, permanently online fatty and scrawny nerds get to hide anonymously, screeching at anybody who makes any unoptimized decisions never having to admit they are unpopular and making it easy to usher in shitty over zealous policy.
Increasing the price of soda was unpopular 10 years ago as it would be today. It's stupid policy and not worth dying on that hill.
Yes. Agreed