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[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 91 points 17 hours ago

Reason number 4629 why I'll never be immigrating to the US. "Land of the free" my ass.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 30 points 16 hours ago

I've recently just understood what a HOA is. As a Canadian I thought they were "Unincorporated Municipalities" or there's also "Rate Payers Associations" which is like a proto-town where there's a group providing town-like services amongst themselves. Which to me is some sick ass anarchist shit. But an HOA is just letting your neigbours tell you what to do? That's lame.

[-] Lumelore 62 points 15 hours ago

HOAs were created because racists didn't want black people in their neighborhood. I fucking hate HOAs.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 17 points 14 hours ago

Judging by another guys post, HOA's are way of offloading a whole new tax structure on individual neighborhoods. The whole being racist thing is how they convinced everyone to pay it.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, the town didn’t even plow or maintain the roads in some HOAs. And the property tax “savings” instead go to scumbag property management conglomerates.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

Wait until you learn about when they created SATs.

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

I don't have an HOA but my property operates under deed restrictions that limit property owners in meaningful ways, establishing usage of the wells, easements, number of structures and so forth.

One of my neighbors repeatedly referred to herself as "the head of the HOA" and I told her she needed to stop saying that because we don't have one. I didn't say as much but I would hire an attorney to send a C&D if she were to keep that up.

[-] ChexMax@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

My neighborhood is deed restricted but most of the rules are just how to be a good neighbor. Trash cans can only be out from this time to this time. Your grass can't be over grown. Personally, I like the structure and I like living on a street where everyone agrees we want our immediate environment to look and feel nice. I've never heard of anything ever having to be enforced because everyone just does it, and when someone doesn't, it usually just means they need to be checked on.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago

HOA's! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of municipalities, Dude, at least it's a system of governance!

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 5 points 13 hours ago

at least it’s a system of governance!

Local governments are subject to monitored elections and the bill of rights.

HOAs are neither. Their elections can easily be cheated, and they're under no legal obligation to respect the civil rights of their members.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

Well, the quote I butchered was meant to denigrate HOA's and say that municipalities were indeed a form of governance whereas HOA's are a form of tyranny. So I'm not sure what point your making, but high five!

[-] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 5 points 14 hours ago

HOAs vary a lot. In my city, every new development has one as a condition of getting permits from the city. That's mainly because cars and their infrastructure are stupidly expensive, the city just can't afford to maintain it all without raising property taxes. I have friends who live in an HOA neighborhood, and basically they just pay an extra monthly bill to cover snow removal, maintenance of common areas, and such. For them, it's nothing like the horror stories of HOAs that can take your house if your mailbox is the wrong color. It is just a group providing services that the city can't afford anymore.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 12 points 14 hours ago

So they aren't a proto-city like an unassumed municipality, they are like a posto-city where late stage capitalism goes to retire and find a new revenu stream.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 2 points 14 hours ago

Some of them, yeah.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 7 points 13 hours ago

the city just can’t afford to maintain it all without raising property taxes

So, instead, everybody gets to pay HOA fees. I guess as long as you don't call it a 'tax' people will go along with it.

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

But an HOA is just letting your neigbours tell you what to do? That’s lame.

Sure, but there's a chance they could become the ones fucking their neighbors over for cheap thrills! That makes it okay! /s

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

It is free, but that privilege doesn't come for free.

As long as you have enough money and don't step on the toes of other people who have money, you can seemingly get away with everything.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 13 hours ago

"With freedom and justice for all who can afford it."

[-] DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

Don’t let the internet scare you. The USA is still amazing. I’m an immigrant myself and I could’ve never asked for a better place.

[-] the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

This is like the dumbest shit I have ever heard. You are no authority of anything. Why should anyone care what you think? Lots of people are immigrants. We have kids in cages and you are a insane person. You sound like a cop or a human who has lost its instinct to survive. Yeah the grass is greener but that is just because it is made of plastic.

[-] LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

HOAs or something of similar form exist in a lot of places. They require residents to be involved though. Anybody who lives in an HOA or similar and doesn’t participate (go to meetings, read their bylaws etc.) contributes to the organization being abused.

HOAs are most frequently[citation needed] found in the United StatesJapanCanadaAustralia, and the Philippines,[3] and to some extent in other countries, such as New ZealandIsraelMauritiusSouth Africa, most of the countries of the European Union, such as DenmarkFranceGermanySpain, the NetherlandsIrelandAustriaPolandHungaryBulgariaGreeceSwedenBelgiumCroatia, the Czech RepublicLatviaLithuaniaCyprusLuxembourgEstoniaSlovakia and Slovenia, and some of the Latin American countries, such as ChileArgentinaBrazil and Mexico.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 8 points 13 hours ago

go to meetings

And fuck you if you've got a job, right?

That's why all these HOAs are run by retirees with too much time on their hands.

[-] LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com 1 points 3 hours ago

Seems like the typical Americans apathy towards electing their representation in government applies other areas too.

[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 5 points 15 hours ago

I'm in Canada. As it says further down that Wikipedia article, HOAs for detached homes are very rare. Condo boards exist, but mostly by necessity if sharing a building.

[-] LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com 1 points 3 hours ago

Strata’s in Canada and HOAs in the US largely serve the same purpose with the biggest difference being financial interest in common property.

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