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Rimu recently started a new rant thread. I copied the response of the person they had targeted and in less than a minute Rimu had deleted the comment.

This is the comment Rimu did not want people being able to see: https://feddit.uk/post/53824748/26875911

This is the thread I shared it on: https://feddit.uk/post/53824747

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[-] Wren@lemmy.today 49 points 12 hours ago

I don't see how people can still use piefed with someone like this in charge. A new red flag pops up every month. It's hard to see them among all the other red flags.

[-] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 32 points 11 hours ago

good news, nobody who like Piefed has to use it. we've gotten PyLova to the point it's running Quokk.au and Anarchist.Nexus, and we've not only removed the censorship and the bias, but we've also improved the UI, made some new themes, and most important of all patched some security vulnerabilities.

at this point it's better than Piefed in every way.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 1 points 58 minutes ago

Just wanna say the new themes slap, got my vaporwave fix.

[-] Zombie@feddit.uk 5 points 10 hours ago

What's the differences between PyLova and Lemmy? Why use it over Lemmy?

[-] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago

More features, faster updates.

[-] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 4 points 10 hours ago

PyLova has a lot more features than Lemmy does.

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[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 hours ago

Totally agree with you. Which sucks because I really wanted to like the project. But the more stuff that comes out about it and the creator just makes me shake my head.

[-] Wren@lemmy.today 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Same here. I even tried it, finding the whole project tainted with Rimus outspoken ideals. While, on lemmy, all the bullshit is in the open and corralled into the devs pet instance.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 19 points 11 hours ago

There's a number of negative things about the Lemmy devs as well. This isn't a whataboutism, or deflection. One of the lead Lemmy devs account is named for a genocidal dictator. I will give them acknowledgment and props for not perpetuating larger systems of oppression through software. Instead choosing to gleefully micro manage their own fiefdoms by hand doing it.

Point being if you're using the threadiverse, you're not going to find a major backend that isn't it developed by someone with a toxic relationship to power. And ultimately a tool is still a tool regardless of Who develops it.

[-] Wren@lemmy.today 28 points 11 hours ago

Your comment is whataboutism and a deflection. Saying something isn't what it is doesn't make it any less is.

This isn't whataboutism. Someone asked why people still use Piefed, and for a fair number of people, that is the reason. I personally only noticed the Piefed controversies bubbling up recently. The problems with the Lemmy devs have been known for years (at least to me). And some people may see what Piefed devs do as the lesser evil, whether you agree with it or not.

[-] Wren@lemmy.today 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

It's definitely whataboutism.

I asked why people use piefed despite the drama, Eldritch's argument was that lemmy devs are bad, and hey, aren't all developers kinda bad?

That's like if I asked why some people like shit on their chest and they said "some of us don't like getting pissed on."

Your assessment of the Piefed's Devs' actions being worse than those by the Lemmy devs is a subjective one. That's precisely the point: one could argue that what Lemmy devs do is worse than what Piefed's devs do. And to be fair, not everyone knows about every alternative (although I will use the moment to shoutout Mbin, which, as far as I know, hasn't had any such issues - at least not yet).

[-] Wren@lemmy.today 2 points 8 hours ago

Your assessment of the Piefed’s Devs’ actions being worse than those by the Lemmy devs is a subjective one.

I never assessed such a thing.

Comparing one thing to shit and the other to piss is indirectly an assessment as to which is worse. I may be going out on a limb here but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people (without a scat fetish) find shit worse than piss.

Whataboutism would be using the problems with the Lemmy devs to distract from or justify what the Piefed devs do. If someone says Piefed devs are doing A but Lemmy devs are doing B which I find is worse, so I would rather go with Piefed, that's not whataboutism, that's chosing the lesser of two evils.

[-] Wren@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago
[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 10 points 11 hours ago

No my comment was strictly with regards to you calling out users of a particular software. When it comes to rimu. 100% ptb unfortunately. I can't support the authors of Lemmy or piefed. But people are free to use whichever tools they choose in this instance. But good luck constructing that straw man.

[-] Wren@lemmy.today 20 points 11 hours ago

This has got to be the worst use of "straw man" I have seen on lemmy so far. And I've seen some bad ones.

Just a tip, you can't call every argument you don't like a straw man. It has a meaning.

[-] Tango@piefed.ca 8 points 9 hours ago

What about kbin/mbin? I haven't heard anything terrible about them at least.

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 hours ago

As someone who persistently forgets to give kbin a try for years already, I'm wondering if the lack of notable drama is in part at fault of why people don't know about it / don't use it...

...Or, with any luck, it's just me.

[-] Tango@piefed.ca 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I really don't ask for a HUGE amount, I think:

  1. The main maintainer of the codebase isn't a power trippin' bastard (if they are a PTB, then I don't trust them not to surreptitiously inject malicious code into it at some point)

  2. The person who owns/runs the instance isn't a power trippin' bastard (if they are a PTB, then I don't trust them not to basically function as a malicious man-in-the-middle attack at some point)

  3. The instance isn't hosted in the USA (if it is hosted in the USA, then I don't trust the instance to be resilient against governmental overreach and spying) or any other untrustworthy countries

That's kind of it, really. But so far, I'm struggling to get past point 1. Both Lemmy and Piefed seem to be maintained by nutjobs. I'm honestly considering going back to Reddit. Maybe kbin will be OK...

EDIT: I mean mbin. Apparently kbin is dead.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 hours ago

I dunno that the original dessalines counts as genocidal, despite his attempts to rid haiti of whites. It was more or less a mass murder, and outright unnecessary since he had other options, but I don't know that genocide would be the right term for it? Maybe, I'm not fully convinced either way, just starting a tangent

That tangent is that the real dessalines was.... complicated. He essentially became a central figure in Haitian liberation. One can argue that the revolution might not have succeeded without him. He was certainly effective.

He was also effective as "emperor" (in quotes because it's hard to be an emperor of a single nation) for the most part. Made Haiti pitchy officially an independent nation, declared slavery abolished, stripped colonialists of property, and generally kept things running.

Of course, part of keeping things running was treating Haitians like slaves, just without the label.

Which shows both why the dev dessalines might have chosen the name, and why it doesn't really fit. Plus, you know, the whole emperor thing being contrary to socialism being weird.

Fwiw to anyone here for the tangent, there's been a goodly number of books about the real Dessalines. Likely available at your local library, or on the high seas. He was a fascinating figure.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Most genocide is Mass murder. You are basically making an argument of ability and scope. Genocide is a genocide. And it doesn't even require murder all the time. Though generally it does include it.

The fact remains that not only did he target what had become a minority group on the islands and wipe it out. Basically genocide. Worse they had been allies fighting alongside him.

And the United States certainly weren't the good guys in the whole situation either. They did their normal thing showing up just long enough to kill a foreign leader. Even if the large portion of Haitian population desired is removal. It still doesn't excuse what France did afterwards and how America followed along buddy buddy enabling France.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

I would definitely argue that there's a bit of wiggle room on freed slaves offing their oppressors though. It wasn't just him.

My hindsight take is that it was a justifiable action considering the history of humanity and how slave revolt tends to be handled. Wiping out the overlords instead of exiling them is a form of preemptive strike.

[-] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 hours ago

fact remains that not only did he target what had become a minority group on the islands

The American Civil War was actually the oppression of a South American minority group (white European slave owners)

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[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 7 points 11 hours ago

A genocidal dictator? Do tell, which one? Hitler? Netanyahu? Bush??

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 9 points 11 hours ago
[-] sudo@programming.dev 24 points 11 hours ago

Under the rule of Dessalines, Haiti became the first country in the Americas to permanently abolish slavery.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Oh so that makes it okay that they rounded up all the white polish etc minority on the island that had fought alongside them. And then exterminated them? That's some moral relativism right there if I ever heard it.

I differentiate between the people of Haiti and their first self-proclaimed emperor. My sympathies lie with the people of Haiti. After fighting one revolution for their freedom. They had to turn and cooperate with bad faith actors like the United States. To assassinate their own ruler so they could actually have it. Only to then be fucked by France and the United States for the next Century afterwards.

[-] sudo@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago

Oh so that makes it okay that they rounded up all the white polish etc minority on the island

Famously the one group that was spared.

Only to then be fucked by France and the United States for the next Century afterwards.

The US and France had fucked over Saint Domingue long before Dessalines was overthrown. It was Dessalines who was forced to sign the treaty which indebted the entire nation as price for their freedom. It came with support from slaveholders like Jefferson who correctly, saw the Haitian Revolution as an existential threat to their way of life.

The point is to highlight the concept of Critical Support. Dessalines isn't someone to idolize like Toussant, he was a ruthless thug. But Napoleon rejected the alliance that Toussant offered. So faced with the choice of re-enslavement under Napoleon and Rochambeau, I would've taken Dessalines any day.

[-] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 hours ago

the white polish etc minority

Interesting you'd mention the one white group that was completely spared due to allying with the revolutionaries.

[-] Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 hours ago

start reading argument about Lemmy and Piefed

somehow end up reading about Haitian racist genocide.

Internet be hittin today, bruh

[-] Jayjader@jlai.lu 8 points 8 hours ago

When one of the lead devs of the Lemmy backend names their online presence after the enactor/leader of said alleged genocide, it's bound to come up at some point.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

I'm legit surprised it doesn't come up more. Yeah, Dessalines the OG is a bit more obscure than Louverture, but the fediverse in general and lemmy in particular run heavy to folks that appreciate revolutionary history.

Hell, I'm not even that into Haitian history, and I've read a little bit here and there. Been ages, but still enough to recognize the name when I saw it. When you also consider some of the drama around lemmy dessalines, that nobody looked it up is surprising too

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 points 7 hours ago

And I thought wiki holes were fun. Like I've seen that name before on here. I had no clue about the history of it. Lemmy drama is so interesting and tangentially informative.

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[-] Wren@lemmy.today 17 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Kinda weird that you don't mention the whole former slave who led the resistance to abolish slavery and free his country thing.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Oh that totally justifies his genocide then.

[-] Wren@lemmy.today 7 points 9 hours ago

Okay, see? That's a strawman. Now you know.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 15 points 11 hours ago

Do you even know the history of Haiti and why it is globally relevant? You CANNOT divorce that from the context of this.

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