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[-] daggermoon@piefed.world 4 points 1 day ago

Unrelated to your question but why do people hate Wayland?

[-] wgs@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Here's my 2cts as someone who (used to) hate Wayland:

The main reason is frustration. Using Xorg was simple. You install xorg-server (and its million dependencies), a window manager and you're good to go. Fire up the server, and then run all the software you need. The window manager is just one of them (and is entirely optional).

Wayland is another story though. You don't "install Wayland". It's only a spec. Just like you don't install HTTP to browse the web. You either install Firefox, epiphany or dillo, which all support a different amount of that spec. For example dillo is ultra light but doesn't support javascript. It's the same with Wayland compositors, except that the spec changes every week (or used to, back in Wayland's early days). And it was so frustrating to come from Xorg where everything works to another system where you couldn't even copy/paste between windows !

Wayland being only a protocol is it's greatest strength and main weakness. It's good because it's extensible and everyone's free to implement whatever extension they need. Unfortunately it went in all directions with everyone coming up with new extension everyday, causing fragmentation when there was barely 3 competitors (kde, gnome and wlroots). As a developer, it's ultra confusing, just like on the web when you used to add support for chrome, mozilla and IE. And requires a lot of effort because the landscape is constantly changing. So if devs are lost, imagine users...

Hopefully nowadays there's some kind of consortium that's voting Wayland extensions, which is a great thing. Things move at a pace that is okayish to keep up with, and most basic expected features are there (copy/paste, screen save/lock, desktop shells, etc...).

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Because they have issues because of their specific setup/hardware/software. I don't so I like it, it has more features.

[-] novafunc@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 day ago

Wayland wants to avoid problems that X11, Windows, and MacOS have. It deliberately avoids some "features" that application developers expect. A lot of it relates to security and privacy.

An example is that a window does not know where it is positioned on your screen and it cannot choose where to place its windows. Personally, I love this behavior. It means I can open an open and it opens in a consistent location (for most Wayland compositors, that's centered on the screen). But others don't like that. They would like the app to control where it opens; for some apps (a niche nowadays) you may have an application window and multiple more supporting windows, but on Wayland, they would all just get opened on top of each other rather than being placed around the main window.

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 day ago

Second System Syndrome otherwise know as 'throwing the baby out with the bath water'.

X11 is old, extraordinarily old for software. As such, the problems it solves are not really problems anymore.

Rather than gradually evolving X11, into say X12, the whole thing got dumped on the trash pile and a brand new entirely incompatible thing called Wayland was started from scratch.

Replacing software with literally hundreds (if not thousands) of person-years of development devoted to it over it's lifetime is hard. Which meant that Wayland had an unfeasibly steep hill to climb, as such it's early days were tumultuous and it got a bit of a bad rap.

There is far more (qualitative and quantitative) history than will fit into this ~~margin~~ comment.

[-] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 21 hours ago

It was not truly ready for end users until the latest years but was shipped despite. It also broke some kinds (I mean a lot of) software, I cannot imagine how many lines of code had to be rewritten because of Wayland. And it also lacks screensavers. And is more resource-demanding.

[-] daggermoon@piefed.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Now, I like a good screensaver but I don't think that's useful to anyone without a CRT.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It does not lack screensavers and there is no reason it has to be more demanding. The protocol isn't more demanding, the implementations are

[-] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

There is no way to get a real screensaver work, prove me wrong. And no one cares if it is the protocol or the implementation. It just works worse than X11 on modest hardware, and people dislike it.

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Mint-Wayland-Screensaver

It was never impossible or difficult it's just nobody bothered because screensavers are actually bad.

Not all implementations are slower, only certain ones.

[-] edinbruh@feddit.it 2 points 14 hours ago

no one cares if it's the protocol or the implementation. it just works worse than x11 on modest hardware

Actually, people that are not hell bent on using x11 do care... That is because the protocol is inherently more efficient than x11, and the compositor matters.

So if you try to run kwin or mutter, there's no doubt they are going to be more demanding than a plain xorg server (but not more than xorg+KDE or xorg+gnome). But if you try to use a compositor made for low hardware like labwc, it's gonna run laps around xorg. And you can even use labwc on lxqt, so you get your familiar desktop environment but with a modern Wayland compositor.

Just try it. Dig up an old intel atom netbook and see if you prefer using xorg or labwc

[-] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

The old machines I have are that old, that they barely get along with LXQt (X11 if I memory serves), and my main one can even stand KDE (with Wayland ofc)

[-] edinbruh@feddit.it 2 points 13 hours ago

Well, try lxqt+labwc. You'll need to set it up, but if you are already willing to tinker with xorg in that machine it won't throw you off too much. You'll be pleased with the result

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