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[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 246 points 2 days ago

Yep, and Americans answering with "we're ok because we have AC" is a Don't Look Up moment

[-] Kirp123@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago

I sure hope their electricity grid can handle it when everyone turns on the AC and data centers also start pulling extra because it's so hot.

[-] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Even in the U.S., we use a lot more energy heating homes than cooling homes. Around 43% of our total in-home energy usage is on heating, and about 8% is on cooling.

Heat waves don't cause nearly as big of a strain on our grid as winter storms, because AC doesn't consume as much energy as even our efficient heat pumps in the winter.

That's because a heat pump that can lower the temperature by 10°-15°C is really all you need in the hottest part of the summer, whereas in the winter raising the temperature 25°C isn't uncommon.

[-] grandma@sh.itjust.works 51 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

At least in my country (Netherlands) the neoliberals have decided every single fucking thing needs to turn a consistent profit and the company who handles the grid is only allowed to upgrade when there is "utility and necessity" which in essence means any time they want to upgrade in anticipation of future demand everyone involved drags their feet.

The result of that policy is that now there is a ridiculous waiting list for commercial grid connections and there are plans to also restrict new high capacity residential connections. For a country that has been run by businessmen for the past 20 years we sure seem to have an awful lack of long-term vision.

Don't even get me started on the attitude that people here have towards A/C. We don't live in a country that's only hot for 1 week a year anymore but lots of ppl just won't accept that. I guess it's climate coping/denial combined with wanting to feel superior to Americans.

We will be cooked (literally)

EDIT: I just remembered that yesterday they unexpectedly had to cut power to 10000 homes for 14 minutes and it wasn't even a hot day.

[-] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago

Business men are myopic and not strategic for 30 years into the future? I am so shocked! 🙀 😲

They optimized their profit, just not yours you gotta understand. I.e the money is not gone it's just somewhere else.

[-] grandma@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 days ago

It's crazy to me because surely you would be extracting more wealth from working people (and raising the blessed holy statistic known as GDP) with a grid that actually works and can take on new customers. I know they're evil but I guess they're also just stupid.

[-] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Take my upvote. I too fail to see how "make something work well, get more money" isn't the obvious default choice for businesses

[-] Fluke@feddit.uk 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Because making it work well costs more than making it work barely, and those costs are ultimately profits not being paid to shareholders now.

Those making the decisions get paid their bonuses based on the now, not the maybe, in the future.

It's really that simple.

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[-] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Stuff like infrastructure should most of the time not be privatized and remain in state hands.

As a business you just need to outbid your opponent for the electric grid or whatever. Then you do the bare minimum to say you delivered within budget etc. People are sheep and won't notice until they are sitting in the dark.

The company that had a realistic cost in their offer was probably not picked.

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[-] grandma@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 days ago

It's definitely not ok, but when treating the root cause will take decades if not centuries (which we absolutely should still do), perhaps it makes sense to look into treating the symptoms as well

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 days ago

To my knowledge a lot of ACs can't even operate at those temperatures, or only in a degraded fashion. The optimal maximum outside temperature of mine apparently is 35°C. After that the radiator can't get rid of the heat fast enough to have the inside unit work at full capacity.

There are genius ways to build homes that get cooled down even without electricity. See the "earthship" design for example, routing fresh air through pipes in the ground where it cools down, going through the home as the hot air gets sucked out by a "thermal chimmey" (literally creates airflow by using the sun). If we combined that with good insulation to avoid the sun heating up walls and windows we'd have liveable temperatures inside even at 50°C outside. But western countries not even remotely progressive enough for such a radical but necessary structural shift, so even right now we keep building houses designed to trap heat.

[-] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 days ago

We're gonna end up having to go with geothermal heat pumps instead of radiators trying to dump heat in +40C air. this guy modified a window unit and was surprised at how well it did. Results @49 minutes. We should also be tripling our insulation requirements to cover the next 50 to 100 years.

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Just realize the hole he dug is probably the bare minimum to handle the heat load from the smallest window AC. It takes a lot of digging to cool a real AC unit. And European homes aren't known for have large yards.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

You can dig straight down, and run the ground loop vertically, but it's surprisingly expensive to dig the hole. Like 15-40k expensive.

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[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Most of downtown Toronto has been cooled by deep lake water in Lake Ontario since 2004. Cuts electricity use by 75%.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

Generic residential units are designed to move heat in the ranges they are operated under. Desert units exist that could work in much hotter conditions. Systems can be made to cool way up past 50°C.

But cooling the inside of a house/car is way different than trying to farm crops/animals in that heat.

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[-] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Solar panels and air con are a good short-term solution for the symptoms

And by short-term I mean my whole life

[-] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

That would make the oil lobby sad though

[-] grandma@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Why? Won't they just get to sell more fossil fuels to meet the electricity demand while politicians endlessly drag their feet on cheaper, renewable alternatives?

EDIT: Oh you mean treating the root cause, yeah true

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[-] brendansimms@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

where are these americans saying "we're ok because we have AC"?

[-] treesapx@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

It's been the defining sentiment to the story when discussed in the US. The GOP has taken to the rhetoric of comparing heat deaths in Europe to gun deaths in US, as in Europe is being far more irresponsible not installing AC than US is not controlling guns (their words).

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago

Mostly MAGA looking to literally die on that hill, (or expect thier grandchildren to)

[-] fishy@lemmy.today 11 points 2 days ago

I spent three hours convincing a couple MAGAs on nextdoor that global warming is real and we've known for nearly 100 years. Had to go into remedial science mode and explain why greenhouse gasses trap heat in, complete with videos showing CO2 experiments like they do in high school. One guy begrudgingly agreed but the second guy was shook. I think he started coming to terms with the fact he's blindly believed lies and started questioning other "truths".

There may be hope, but he might've just turned Fox on after and stuck his head back into the sand.

[-] BenevolentOne@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

Easier to start with the plain truth, something you can see with your own eyes, and work your way to the subtler arguments.

https://archive.org/details/earth_not_a_globe_review_1893-1897_201804/mode/1up

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Changing worldviews is hard.

I was raised on a steady diet of fox news. When I finally became traveled enough to realize it was bullshit, I had to come to dozens of separate now seemingly obvious conclusions before i had a half-decent picture. Even CNN, ABC, CBS have their own stuff to sell. The media is a business, and it sells.

[-] fishy@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

I was raised on Fox as well, was even a founding member of my schools young conservative club. Global warming was actually one of the topics that broke me free of that bullshit mindset. I told a few friends global warming was bullshit and they were like "bro you're dumb, here's how we know it's real." I understood enough science to get it was happening as well as the implications. That got me questioning everything the news said, which had me coming to those same realizations you did.

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago

It was so hot last week, I had to move my fucking pepper pants inside.

losing a chunk of the growing season is going to go poorly in the near term

[-] zombieshotgun@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago
[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago

LOL Typo, but I do in fact own some pepper pj's !

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[-] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Anyone who says that doesnt understand our government hasnt modernized our electric grids at all. They cannot handle these ac demands and the ai datacenters they’re forcing down everyones throats.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Not this american. Ive been screaming my head off about how the machery our society runs on is all designed to run in a specific temperature range, and we are nearing the upper edge of that range now.

Most residential air conditioners can only manage a split of 30°F. That means if its 110 outside, your AC will struggle to keep the inside temp colder than 80°F. Sure, there are solutions for this. But they arent being implemented becsuse that is a problem for next quarter.

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago

No idea why that's such a hot take by them. So many people have AC here. Houses, establishments, public areas, and increasing for obvious reasons.

AC here are nearly always split units though. Our windows don't slide up, so harder to install that type of AC unit that sits on the sill.

[-] reev@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago

The reason that "it's ok we have AC" is a dumbass small brain take is that the "it" that is allegedly ok in this scenario is global warming. AC won't save most of the planet from the consequences of our choices and actions.

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