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Wake up babe new genre definition just dropped
https://stoates.substack.com/p/programmer-science-fiction
Includes all the usual suspects, but notably doesn't mention Ken MacLeod whose Fall Revolution series is probably too socialist[1]. Also avoids discussing Stross post-Singularity Sky.
[1] MacLeod's Corporation Wars trilogy has immersive VR, artificial conciousness rebelling against authority, and literal p-zombies but is also very anti-fascist, so no wonder it's not mentioned (also, it's unfortunately not very good)
Viral: "read a second book"
Spiral: "read a second Borges story"
The author of "Death and the Compass" and "Emma Zunz" is unrecognizable from the description there.
@gerikson @techtakes Technical nit-pick: "American hard science fiction space opera like Timelike Infinity is also influential"— Timelike Infinity was written by Steven Baxter who is *very* English indeed. Best contextualized as mid-period Interzone generation hitting its imperial phase.
So there are a bunch of people on this forum more literary and authorial than I and I welcome any of them to correct me on this, but I'm skeptical of the whole project here of seeking to identify or define a new subgenre that is pushing speculative fiction as a whole forward. It's always seemed to me like the real creative energy behind this kind of movement doesn't originate from a defined subgenre as much as from a community of authors in conversation with each other. The identification and labeling comes afterwards as outsiders try to talk about it. In that sense, I don't think he's actually identifying that kind of community. Just naming a bunch of writers he likes, to the point of excluding several who he admits would be in this kind of community as defined but he just doesn't like as much.
It's been a while since I immersed myself in SF publishing but I think that older terms like "New Wave" and "cyberpunk" were basically marketing terms riding off the hits that spawned them. I believe they were a collaboration between the fandom, magazines and publishers - not in any structured way, but like in music, a term is used to encompass many different acts.
One slubstack does not a genre name, tho. And it's broad enough to be meaningless. For example one of the first authors is Scott Alexander, who is not formally a programmer, just someone who hangs out online terminally. Vinge was a CS prof, but Banks afaik didn't have any formal CS training. Ken McLeod worked as a programmer, as did Charles Stross.
SF is a nerd author paradise and nowadays nerds program, so ... chicken and egg?
I've been programming computers since I was 10, and being a physicist even involved doing that professionally, so I hereby nominate my Daria--Hannibal crossover fic as programmer SF. It's full of science fiction, both real and fictional.
I don't know if I'm more impressed by how many occasions you find to link that or by how often it's relevant. Either way, you're doing the Lord's work and congratulations on the 1/10000 of a Hugo.
This one is actually new. It goes on the top of my pile of absurd Daria crossovers, joining those with Hellraiser, the Amelia Peabody mysteries, They Live and Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land.
So far, no cult followers.