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[-] zewm@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

I disagree. I have had an EV since 2018 and I can honestly say I never want another one. My next vehicles going forward will be ICE 100%.

I’m also going to make sure that they are older and have little to no infotainment / internet connected systems.

A sub year 2000. Maybe a nice Accord or Jeep.

I’m over this dystopian nightmare.

[-] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 70 points 3 weeks ago

It sounds like your problems aren't with EVs. It sounds like your problems are with any modern car.

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Both. But I rather fill up anytime for 2 mins than having to plan out my charging and waiting 45 mins. This is my biggest gripe.

The spyware, while a big concern, is secondary to my refueling schedule.

[-] protist@retrofed.com 14 points 3 weeks ago

You're driving a pretty old EV at this point. EV charging speeds have improved significantly. Also there are PHEVs now, why not split the difference?

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I have no idea what PHEV means. Sorry.

[-] whyrat@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle. Sometimes called "Extended Range Electric Vehicles". TLDR: has a smallish battery you can plug in and charge that gives you something like 30 to 50 miles of range. Then a gas engine to use when the battery is low.

It's a good option for anyone who has limited daily driving and the ability to charge overnight. Sadly they're pretty rare. People will complain about "paying for 2 drivetrains" but cost-wise and feature-wise they make a lot of sense for people with occasional needs to drive longer distances.

If you search on cars.com it's a filter option under "fuel type". For my zip code there's currently 3.9K hybrid, 2.4K electric and only 19(!) plug-in hybrid listed.

[-] binomialchicken 2 points 3 weeks ago

Extended range electric vehicles are not the same as PHEVs. EREVs have a single drive train, which is all electric, with a gasoline generator that can charge the battery while still driving as a secondary energy source. They can get ranges that exceed regular ICE vehicles even.

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[-] runner_g@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

Plugin Hybrid Electric Vehicle. it has a gas engine and an ev motor. the ev gets charged through regenerating breaking our through a charger. you get the best of both worlds.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Except for the maintenance of an ICE car.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

PHEV motors require less maintenance. They have no transmission, and a fraction of the strain of ICE motors.

[-] protist@retrofed.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

You sure have strong opinions for someone who knows almost nothing about the topic

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[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

What were you driving, a 2013 Bolt?

EVs charge at 200kW now, not 40.

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago
[-] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

I have one of those and it happily does 250 kW at supported chargers. Takes me 20 minutes or so to go from 15% to 80%.

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago
[-] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Did you even read your own source? This is literally the next fucking line down from your disingenuously-cropped table.
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[-] zewm@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

That’s not the vehicle I own. I’m posting the statistics for my experience.

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[-] chris@links.openriver.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

Where do you drive that 45 minute fillups mid-travel are necessary? Surely that is rare at least.

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[-] Robin@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Is it the drive train you have a problem with or the software? Because I think you just dislike new cars, not electric cars. In which case keep an eye out for the Slate EV

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

If Slate makes a reliable vehicle from a new model from a new company, it will be an industry first.

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

It’s the waiting 45 minutes to charge that I hate.

[-] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

There are newer models that can charge to 80% in 15 min. It will probably take a while until fast chargers are widespread, but this is where things are going.

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

That won’t stop battery degradation.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, it won’t.

ICE engines also need oil changes, transmission fluid, headgaskets,belts.

I agree that modern “it’ll spy on you” car software sucks ass. The actual battery and charging tech is way way better than 2018 though. No one has to stop for 45 minutes.

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yea and I can do my own maintenance. That’s another factor that sucks about EV. You can’t even do any work yourself.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

No more oil to change so I can feel like a mechanic :( .

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Oh look, a shell representative

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

don't you just charge overnight most of the time?

that's what most poeple do

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Yea, would be nice if I had my own house to add a charger to. I rent and have to use communal chargers.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Ok so you bought an electric car knowing full well you were not able to charge it at will at night (and I assume nowhere in your regular daily routine, like at work) and now complain about that?

I'm from Canada and I hate I bought a giant bikini collection but bikini season is only 1 month here... therefore, bikinis suck!

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ok, searching for the perfect hairy dude in a bikini in snow picture as a humorous reply, means I now have a browser history no one can ever see ….. and I didnt find one that was funny

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Condos generally won’t let you have chargers. HOA hate everyone.

Not everyone can afford the boomer American dream of detached housing.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You can only try. My ex’s HOA did bring chargers up for a vote, but tabled it when they realized how limited the electrical service for common areas was

While I don’t know whether it would have passed, it’s a step

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[-] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

They should stop with that touch screen crap, always connected to the internet spyware bullshit, but they are putting that everywhere now not just EVs.

We will soon be in the siutuation where if you want an old car without that crap you can't even go into the larger eu cities anymore, because the engine will be too polluting.

There really is a market for cars without that crap. As long as it brings me and my family to destination safely I don't care how it is propelled.

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

My first vehicle ever was a 1987 Suzuki Samurai JX and I regret losing it to this day. I have not been able to match it with any subsequent vehicle I’ve owned.

[-] Murse@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

If you can find a Saab from before GM bought em that's still in good condition... *chef's kiss* perfection.

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Saab reminds me of an old 80s movie named ‘Moving’ with Richard Pryor.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

Is that the one where he goes crazy and like hijacks the moving truck with his stuff in it?

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, it’s the one that he moves his family across the country and shenanigans occur.

He has a Saab and hires a stranger to drive it across the country for him.

https://youtu.be/93KEjWkurmI

[-] mabeledo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Double the emissions and half of the efficiency. Good choice.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

What do you think of the Slate truck? While I’m not interested in a truck, the simplification and lack of gadgets appeal to me enough that I may consider it anyway

[-] zewm@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Never heard of it. Up until the Tesla, I have been driving mostly Hondas since the mid 90s. If I could find a nice late 90s Accord, I would be set.

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