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Last September, Ríhanna Kelver was standing outside the Crowbar & Grill in Laramie, Wyoming, preparing to start her bartending shift, when she noticed a group of men across the street. One of them was shouting in her direction, and Kelver heard several homophobic and transphobic slurs as he began approaching her. Moments later, according to court testimony and surveillance footage, the man shoved Kelver to the ground hard enough to injure her tailbone.

Kelver responded by drawing a pistol from her bag, chambering a round, and pointing the weapon at the man who had pushed her. She kept the safety on and never fired. The man and his companions retreated.

Today, Kelver, a 28-year-old trans woman, faces two felony charges—aggravated assault and possession of a deadly weapon with unlawful intent—which could carry up to 15 years in prison. The man who shoved Kelver and who allegedly initiated the confrontation, known only as “S. Durham,” has not been charged.

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[-] SCmSTR 10 points 7 hours ago
[-] homes@piefed.world 44 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Six days before his death, Matthew Shepard's assailants — Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson — picked him up at a bar, drove him to the edge of town, tied him to a fence and brutally beat him. Eighteen hours later, a passerby discovered Shepard barely alive. He was taken to a Colorado hospital where he later died on October 12. Russell and McKinney were sentenced to life in prison

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[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 13 points 3 hours ago

It was pretty widely reported on when it happened.

October 12, 1998

That was nearly 30 years ago. Don't think it's wild to think that most random fediverse users would have never heard about it, especially since a large chunk of them weren't even born.

[-] homes@piefed.world 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I guess it just depends on what’s important to you.

Does it matter to you when an innocent person is horrifyingly massacred?

Or does that mean nothing to you?

It made enough of a difference that state and federal laws were enacted. The perpetrators were given life sentences. It caused a massive cultural shift in this and every country. For decades.

But if you want to ignore it, go ahead.

Every bigot - every monster- on this planet agrees with you. Those are the allies you have chosen.

[-] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 1 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago)

In 1998 most users here were either toddlers or didn't exist.

Expecting them to have heard about a specific murder is ridiculous, especially if they're from a different state or another country.

[-] homes@piefed.world 1 points 39 minutes ago
[-] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 4 points 33 minutes ago

Where did I say it doesn't matter?

You're complaining that people don't know about something that happened 30 years ago, at a time when they were likely very young or didnt even exist.

Not knowing about every single terrible thing that has ever happened on a particular subject doesn't mean you don't care about it.

Without googling I bet you wouldn't know a thing about Holly Chapman and Jessica Wells in the UK, a double murder that happened over 20 years ago.

Or who Dawn Sturgess was.

Both pretty big here, the double murder led to significant changes in the law and procedures for data sharing across the UK.

The difference between us is, you not knowing about it doesnt lead me to the insane conclusion that its because you just don't care about the subject.

[-] homes@piefed.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

Either you agree that this man’s massacre was a tragedy, or you don’t. As far as I can tell, you are arguing very hard in favor of it, and that, simply because some people were not born before 1998, his death has no meaning. That is the message I am very clearly receiving from you.

I don’t know what’s wrong with you, but I’ve heard enough. I’m just gonna block you now.

[-] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago

There's a difference between ignoring something and being too young to have heard about it.

[-] homes@piefed.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Are you too young for death to have any meaning for you?

The only argument you are making is that your very humanity has a sell-by date. I don’t accept that. I think you’re just making an excuse for being a piece of shit. And I certainly don’t accept that.

So, tell me, why do you find it OK that this innocent gay man was horrifically massacred? Why are you arguing in support of it?

Because that is unquestionably what you are doing

[-] klugerama@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

JFC take a breath. You went from 0-100 with absolutely no justification. Nobody is defending them, in any way, nor did anyone even imply that what they did was OK.

What in the fuck are you talking about?

[-] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 1 points 53 minutes ago

Your head is just a place to store your teeth, isn't it?

[-] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 8 points 2 hours ago

What do you think not hearing about something means?

[-] homes@piefed.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Are you arguing that your ignorance negates the meaning of someone’s death?

Are you really that arrogant and entitled? So solipsistic?

[-] Grilipper54@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 hour ago

Nobody is arguing that in this thread.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

Dude I'm a history nerd and have a pretty solid grasp on random abscure shit and this was an unknown to me. I'm in California and my town was having crosses burned around the same time which is more directly relevance to me, some dude getting lynched a year before I was born in fucking Wyoming is so far outside my view you may as well bring up hate crimes in Vostoc Russia, the same thing applies to damned near everyone.

Fact of the matter is that it's categorically impossible to know about every hate crime committed in the past 30 years, even folks who study this shit for a living would probably miss some things. You don't need to know about every thrice damned obscure case to know the broad trends and issues.

[-] homes@piefed.world 1 points 55 minutes ago

You clearly speak another language than I do, because you heard something completely different than what I said.

Either you think that killing someone because they are gay as right or wrong. If you cannot answer to that, this conversation is over.

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 24 points 7 hours ago

The Wyoming queerphobes who murdered him

[-] SCmSTR 6 points 7 hours ago
[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago
[-] SCmSTR 13 points 6 hours ago

"Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson were arrested shortly after the attack and charged with first-degree murder following Shepard's death. Henderson pleaded guilty to murder, and McKinney was tried and found guilty of murder; each of them received two consecutive life sentences."

1998, University of Wyoming.

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