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[-] Exec@pawb.social 144 points 2 days ago

It would be hilarious if in the end this would cause the bubble to burst

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago

hope he brings thiel down with him too.

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

I'm an atheist, but i pray this happens I'm so sick of AI.

[-] toebert@piefed.social 73 points 2 days ago

It does seem like someone wants their investments back and pass on the money black hole over to the public.

I'd be surprised if they can continue their business as is after an IPO.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

For amateur investors, the question to always ask is why does a company with massive private investments need to go public?

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 days ago

SpaceX is going public at $2 Trillion dollars on like $12b of revenue.

They’re trying to foist the bag on to index funds.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago

How does that even happen? They just decide what their valuation is??

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes.

Elon musk had SpaceX buy XAi which bought Twitter all for increasingly more money from himself. The valuation is based on that. Somehow.

Apparently they claim their TAM is $28T because identifying trillion dollar businesses is their core “repeatable business model”. None of the companies folded into SpaceX now are trillion dollar companies. How the argument that the core business is making trillion dollar companies, despite not making any trillion dollar companies, makes any sense I do not know.

Also uhh… don’t look at their declining real revenue, or that they just bought $1B of depreciating assets from Tesla like $138M of cyber trucks. That definitely was not because they weren’t selling.

Edit: Here's a video on this so you all can see exactly how shitty this deal is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X6YzlY_8tM

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Yes I believe the TAM or value or whatever of a single company is 12% of all wealth in the U.S. That makes sense.

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

I have to be honest, I don't know how any investor read their S1 and still wants to put money in this thing.

I mean, I know Carlin said it's a big club and you're not in it, but fuck. They're all in on it.

[-] axexrx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

"We want to be a trillion dolar company because we want to becom3 a trillion dolar company!"

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

yes. see also: capitalism

[-] msage@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago

How can it be possible?

How in the everloving fuck can that happen?

How are the streets not running with blood?

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

waves hands

Corruption.

Fire all the regulators, find some shit to pump, get all your buddies in, have the NASDAQ make special rules for you, then everyone who bought in private sells on open when the index funds have to buy in. Many pensions may be legally forced to buy this shit to satisfy regulations.

It's fucked. Well over 100x revenue multiples at IPO. They just filled their S1.

The market makers are turning index funds into 2008's CDOs.

[-] msage@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

Which is insane. CDOs were crazy, but fucking index funds is batshit insane levels of evil. Not just corruption, but all out treason.

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I’ve been a fan of index investing for a while, but have become very sceptical of the sp500, nasdaq 100, etc. as valuations have become more concentrated.

When so few assets make up such a large portion of the index I think it loses its diversification advantages.

[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 21 hours ago

This is why I use international index funds primarily. Small cap is also a solid hedge

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago

I think the US indexes still make up 15% of my portfolio.

[-] msage@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

AI is making stocks go up, so your saving can go bye bye

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago

They are going to enshittify so hard trying to get their money back... it's too bad, too. I use ChatGPT a fair bit for various things. But eras end and this could herald the end of it being useful to me. At some point I was always just going to set up my own local AI on a server here at home. Hopefully hardware prices can recover a bit before I feel compelled to move on from ChatGPT.

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

I saw an article talking about how prices for AI are cheap as hell right now cuz they're trying to get people used to not thinking (or programing) for themselves. Then when people are dependent on it they're planning on jacking the price up.

[-] toebert@piefed.social 20 points 2 days ago

The prices are already going up, look at anthropic's price hikes, or the GitHub copilot ones. You're right it is just the start though.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That’s only partially true.

The other half is that “almost as good” AI like GLM’s coder plan, Kimi, and dozens of other providers are dirt cheap. And getting cheaper, fast.

[-] fullsquare@awful.systems 13 points 2 days ago

that's gonna be wework on meth

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago

Just left a comment a few hours ago essentially echoing this. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and you can't hide books from investors.

[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 days ago

Wishful thinking

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