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ITT I learn that oligarch gabe nawel is the elon musk of gamers

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I’m “mad”. Their business model should be illegal. If you buy a game you shouldn’t be chained to their platform.

[-] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 6 points 1 day ago

That's not an issue with Steam that is an issue with consumer protection and copy right laws.

[-] SCmSTR 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Go pirate it and live your best life.

I do want to clarify, though, that always-on drm is ass. Just, for now, in exactly how they're implemented, with all of the built up good karma, it's acceptable.

The real questions we should be asking are "why does it not suck with steam, but does everywhere else?" and "what can we realistically ask of steam to improve the experience?" and "is there a better alternative?" And "Why is it like this to begin with?"

How do we improve this without just whining? Because all things considered, Valve would probably work with reasonable requests, if you had a good enough idea.

[-] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 2 points 12 hours ago

Steam is not the problem when it comes to DRM. Steam offers a service, it's the publishers who choose to use the always-on DRM.

[-] SCmSTR 1 points 7 hours ago

Yes and no. When Valve first released Steam, there basically wasn't anything like it. It was only for Valve games, it was required, and was basically always on DRM.

However, that also ended up saving PC gaming as a market and as a whole, because piracy was actually so rampant that publishers were looking at other options (consoles). So, when Steam as a platform showed being extremely successful at enforcing copyright protection but by offering the service of syncing your saves and letting you download the games you owned QUICKLY and repeatedly, basically eliminating the need for physical media, other developers eventually wanted in, and Valve eventually let some indie games on, which was a MASSIVE boon to their sales, too.

Then, other publishers wanted in, then they wanted their own digital distribution platforms, but then those platforms sucked and nobody wanted to use them, and those publishers whined a whole bunch (nobody seems to be able to figure out that you can't do predatory shit and that you have to offer BOTH a desirable game AND a desirable platform, and those that have, realize it's a lot of work and just go with Steam).

So, it's not so much that Steam/Valve is the problem, it's that they're such a good solution, and that is hard/expensive to compete with. It's not exactly simple, but it's not exactly complicated.

[-] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 1 points 6 hours ago

You can publish on Steam without DRM. I don't really know what point you are trying to make.

[-] SCmSTR 1 points 6 hours ago

Well, firstly, that Steam, as a platform, is DRM. Not all DRM is always-on enforcement.

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

Not sure what you mean. You should be able to download games on their storefront elsewhere?

[-] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago

Yes. Thats how GOG wrks, for example. Everything is DRM free. I even have a script that downloads it all.

That said, a LOT of Steam is actually DRM free as well.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

This. One reason I'm reluctant to purchase games on Steam is how impermanent it really is.

You buy a game in Steam, you can't play it without Steam. Should Valve decide to cut you off or just stop existing, your games are gone. And switching to another platform leaves you trapped to play your previously purchased titles on Steam or buy it again.

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

You buy a game in Steam, you can't play it without Steam

That's not true though. For many games, after you installed it you can even uninstall Steam or copy/backup the game to another computer without Steam and play it forever. Yes, many games have DRM that will prevent you from doing that, but that's the game developers doing. Steam does not have any DRM by itself, nor does it require to be running or even installed to run games you originally got from it.

Again, unless the game developer went out of their way to add DRM.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 17 hours ago

Steam does not have any DRM by itself

It does, and the default practice is to enable it, even when DRM-less versions are available elsewhere. It might not be as fancy as Denuvo, but it is there and it doesn't allow you to run games without also launching Steam.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/drm

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I am aware they offer a feature. It is up to the game developer to implement it though if they choose to, Steam does not force DRM onto anyone.

[-] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago

But Goldberg emulator has been widely and easily available basically forever and they've done nothing to try to stop people from using it or shutting it down. People are also able to add pirated games to their steam library and run them without fear of banning or retaliation on platforms like SteamOS or the steamdeck. Without being able to launch (pirated) games from within steam, using proton or gaming on Linux at all would be much harder.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

For all I know, Goldberg emulator only works with multiplayer titles to enable local multiplayer capabilities. If the game is SteamDRM protected, it should not work and is very illegal.

Illegality is a general issue with piracy to begin with - Valve can snap on it any time, leaving us empty-handed. It is not a sustainable solution - just the only one we're left with. Instead of not suing emulators and certain tools just yet, I'd rather see them actually removing the damn DRM. I mean, we had enough Nintendo drama, didn't we?

On my end, I make sure to purchase DRM-free games and yarrr the hell out of the DRM-protected ones, but personal activism can only get you so far.

[-] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago

This is not just a Steam issue, I have games I bought and will never be able to play because of DRM. Until laws change, this won't change.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Indeed, Steam is just one culprit - yet culprit nonetheless.

[-] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 5 points 21 hours ago

Culprit in what way? It's the developers and publishers that put the DRM on the games, not Steam.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)
  1. Steam features its own DRM, ensuring games cannot be launched without it.

  2. Steam has enormous leverage in the gaming market and could at least influence the devs to make DRM transferable between the publishing spaces (but that might hurt Steam's bottom line).

Plenty of games release both on Steam and, say, GOG. GOG versions don't feature DRM, Steam versions do. Why?

[-] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

You are not required by Steam to use their DRM, it's a service they offer. Publishers make the choice to use the DRM.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam

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