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We could have done the same goddamn thing without any people risking their lives strapped to bus atop a rocket.
We could have tested the safety of a manned mission without people on the manned mission? How in the hell do we do that?
We could have taken picture's of the moon's ass.
There is literally zero reason for us to put people in space when we can send drones to do it.
They're practicing for the future manned landing
Which is fucking stupid and wasteful.
No. If we want to explore the universe and learn more about it, this is necessary. Go watch hank greens video about it. I don't get why everyone's malding about science being done.
No, it is not necessary and is in fact harmful.
Humans are not going to explore outer space. It's way too complicated to keep them fed and alive.
It is way, way easier to send out technology and let it fly as far as it can...without having to support the meatbags.
You guys are the Philistines here, insisting on dragging humans to a non-human event.
It may be, but also...kinda cool?
Godforbid humanity just does something because it's cool.
There are several reasons to put actual people in to space.
They might be reasons you think worth it, but they do exist.
We already have people in space on the ISS constantly, this manned moon mission is completely unnecessary
Indeed, no scientific studies could ever benefit from a 40% increase in data from test subjects.
Not to mention they aren't even in the same environmental conditions, or doing the same activities, the data would be completely different (aside from the common baseline of space stuff) and therefore useless for comparison purposes.
I'm not sure why anyone would bother.
Look, i get why you might think it's unnecessary, i don't care enough to have an my own opinion on it's cost/benefit analysis.
All i was saying is that reasons do exist.
You could get 40% more of the same data by increasing output on the ISS with no increased risk of death. The difference in environment between the ISS and the moon is worthless, instead of zero gravity they're just in low gravity, which we can achieve without even going to the ISS, low orbit would do the trick with even lower risk. This is a publicity stunt to compensate for the US looking like a fucking joke, extra risk for no extra benefit beyond showing off.
All of what you said is reasonable at a glance, still it's not relevant to my argument.
Reasons exist.
Whether or not the reasons are good is irrelevant to my original argument.
If you're asking me whether or not i think the reasons are good, my answer is i don't know and I’m not invested enough in the answer to go looking.
What i will do is put down my uneducated answers to your response.
Increasing output of existing members is unlikely to be equivalent to data from entirely new test subjects.
40% more data on existing subjects isn't the same as 40% additional data from new subjects.
For a more equal comparison you'd need to ship new people to the ISS and then your argument would only be true if there was zero risk of death in getting new people to the ISS.
That's subjective but you could be right, i'd possibly argue that the combination of factors in space in addition to the low gravity would be different than a terrestrial equivalent, so a low gravity experiment in the ISS might be a better comparison.
I don't know enough to be certain about any of that though.
Possibly, i'd guess likely, but again i don't know enough to have a reasonable opinion on this.
You can put new people on the ISS, fucking duh, and it's still much lower risk than a moon mission. Not zero risk, just significantly lower risk for the same results, as I already said.
The difference between zero and low gravity is not subjective.
"Justifications exist for this course of action even if they're stupid" is a bad argument to make and you should stop making it, if you know you're not qualified to evaluate the validity of those justifications then quit trying
If you'll go back and read what i said i was responding directly to the quote :
Agreed, It's a good job that isn't what i was claiming then, "The difference in environment between the ISS and the moon is worthless" is subjective.
Not what i said originally , it's in the chat history, please try harder.
I'll put down the sentence you wrote, and my response to it.
response
The follow up :
Doesn't imply the reasons are bad, just that they are irrelevant.
If you think qualifications are required for statements clearly stated as opinions then feel free to provide yours.
Also, not what i said, you should really read the comments properly before responding to them, if you incorrectly paraphrase text that is easily accessible if makes you look incompetent.
Not directly referencing the text you are paraphrasing because it wouldn't help your pseudo argument if you did, is also a weak move.
a bit further down is :
and that has a specific context attached to it, arguing against a point while pretending the clearly established context doesn't exist is also not a good look.
This is somewhat disappointing, at least come up with something that will hold up to more than 10 seconds of scrutiny.
Oh my god shut the fuck up moron, you already admitted you don't have a clue what you're talking about why are you still shitting paragraphs
A masterful retort.
Still not what I said, but at least you're consistent, if not interesting.
You may now shut the fuck up
And again, as I said ,all of that was In response to specific context.
Amongst all of the other replies that you've conveniently ignored.
Taking quotes from a specific context and pretending they apply overall is poor reasoning. Again congrats on the consistency.
I suspect you aren't going to understand what I mean though (intentionally probably, but possibly just struggling).
Tell you what, you win, congrats on your intellectual triumph, a victory truly earned.
indeed, your witty repartee and peerless argumentative structure have left me nowhere to hide, conversationally speaking.
Even the animated equivalent of a "no u" was a masterstroke, perfectly timed to wound me.
I am bested.
Yep
From your post history there are so many wins I’m surprised i lasted as long as i did.
I should really research before i try and take on the champ.
Yes
Indeed, this thorough trouncing has really put things into perspective for me.
Quit lying, you didn't learn anything
My respect for your opinion is such that your lack of belief in me is a wound that will take much time to heal.
Wordy, still stupid
See , this is why i had no chance from the beginning.
Simple, concise, cutting.
You don't even need to understand what i said because your retorts don't require it. Genius.
See, no relevance to the response required.
It doesn't even need to make sense.
Still devastating in it's efficacy.
I'll look into a way to archive Lemmy threads so that future generations might benefit from access to the raw brilliance.
Rather than some paraphrased anecdote.
Masterful
Consistently insightful, no needless words, astounding.
Yep
They’re there to gather data on the moon’s surface and how being on a manned mission affects the human body.
We already have pictures of the dark side of the moon, so the intention this time was for the human eye to view it, since it gets much more detail anyway.
They've been testing the effects of low gravity on the human body in the ISS the whole time, they absolutely do not need to send people to the moon for that. Everything they're doing right now could be done by an unmanned mission.
You can't have humans observe the far side of the moons without humans
Cameras exist
Nothing anyone says will convince you since you clearly decided you were against this, no matter what.
Logic didn't cause this opinion, so logic won't convince you.
Your argument fails to account for technology we've been using for over a century, logic does not support you at all you fucking moron
But it's super cool.
We already did that with Artemis I, this is a test flight for manned flights to build a base and explore further