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[-] dandelion 16 points 2 months ago

or, like, a cis man - just ... any man, really

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 5 points 2 months ago

But is it evil to feminize a cis man? I dont think so.

[-] GalacticSushi 31 points 2 months ago

Forcing a person to experience gender dysphoria would qualify as a evil act in my book. You'd be directly lowering someone's quality of life with no benefit to yourself, it's absurdly anti-social behavior.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 11 points 2 months ago

Forced feminization and feminization are two different things, it all depends on consent.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

So youre saying feminization without consent isnt necessarily forced?

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

people who aren't strongly connected to their gender or sex exist, so i'd hypothesize feminizing someone like that without consent might not be unwelcome.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 points 2 months ago

Are you part of the GOP? Cause that is a wild spin

[-] dandelion 13 points 2 months ago
[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 points 2 months ago

Castrating == feminizing. Holy shit.

[-] dandelion 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

yeah, in the case of Turing he was forced to take estrogen (which was called "chemical castration" because the estrogen usually eliminates fertility)

in the case of Reimer, they accidentally cut off his penis during a circumcision, so they surgically gave him a vulva and then raised him as a girl and gave him estrogen.

basically both were cases of cis men who were feminized by force

(I guess the direct comparison to the sword's evil effect was the way these men were forced to take estrogen.)

Forced feminization of men is evil whether those men are cis or trans.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 points 2 months ago

Its not a direct comparison. A direct comparison would be you have Sailor powers but you don't like that it makes you a pretty girl while its active, since you can just not wield the sword. What you describe is just inhumane torture.

[-] dandelion 7 points 2 months ago

yes, I think the "forced feminization" fantasy is something trans women engage in because they're women and living as a man is the inhumane torture you mentioned

but you mentioned the sword should be evil and thus only be able to be wielded by transmasc individuals, which started this whole discussion

my point is that it doesn't matter whether the man is cis or trans for them to be tortured by feminization, and so the sword's evil condition should really only allow it to be wielded by men (whether cis or trans). There's nothing special about trans men that makes them uniquely tortured by feminization, all men are that way.

Perhaps the psychological struggle to accept that men don't like feminization is due to the common denialism that trans women experience with accepting they really are women and not men?

either way, yes - I think it's a good suggestion that the sword only be wielded by men to make it evil

(though, that sorta defeats the point of the transfem fantasy here, lol)

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

One is completely and easily reversable, more like a minor inconvenience to just drop the sword. The other is permanent and damaging. Not really comparable. But I am glad you wanted to come argue with me on a meme. Awesome.

[-] dandelion 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

there's nothing really permanent or damaging about taking estrogen in the short-term (i.e. like wielding the sword), you can stop it after 3 months without any permanent effects, and after that the main permanent effect is breast growth

I think wielding the feminizing sword actually then is more like taking estrogen than you give credit. 🤔

Also, the meme doesn't mention the sword's effects are temporary - I assumed the sword's estrogen effect wouldn't disappear immediately upon being dropped, but that is an interesting idea (and maybe more aligned with the intent, I don't know - I would assume as a trans meme oriented to transfem forced feminization fantasy that it would be disappointing for the estrogenizing effects to be temporary).

But I am glad you wanted to come argue with me on a meme. Awesome.

sorry, I don't react well when people treat trans people as separate or not the same as cis people in terms of their gender - I was probably reacting poorly to the implication that trans men are somehow different than cis men in terms of how feminization effects them.

I don't mean to be unpleasant or argumentative, but I think you have a point here, I do come across that way.

I'll just block you so you don't have to interact with me again. And I'm really sorry for not interacting with you well, I hope you have a better day (and better interactions with others). 🫶

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Forced castration isnt permanent or damaging at all? Really? Taking estrogen is one thing but thats not whag we are talking about

[-] LwL@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Tbh I would guess that the average cis person cares less about their gender than the average trans person. Not that plenty wouldn't in fact feel quite tortured by a forced gender change, but strength of gender identity is a spectrum in itself, and to actively decide that you want to transition - whether or not you actually do it - already requires you to be somewhere on the stronger feeling side, so there's some selection bias.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 3 points 2 months ago

Can you elaborate on why, in your opinion, it is evil to feminize a transmasc but not evil to feminize a cis man?

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 points 2 months ago

Well I would assume if you are transitioning away from the feminine you dont want to go back, it probably ranges in emotional responses depending on the person though. And as a cisman myself, I dont think I'd associate the change with any negative feelings. Kinda flimsy rationale I guess but that was my logic.

[-] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

I know a few agender guys who would be fine with that

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