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Yep. And let's not forget, just as recently as a year ago, Lemmy would ban people for saying "both parties suck." And anyone who supported third-parties were pounded on and called russians and nazis. That still happens, but not as much anymore, thank goodness.
Finally more and more people here are starting to come around to realizing that neither the democrats nor the republicans want to help us plebs.
Both parties do suck and as long as people keep shooing away third-party voters, they'll continue to suck. Remember guys, the only reason third-parties are weak is because you all refuse to support them.
Yeah, because context matters. The political environment when you're in the middle of the general election and infighting accomplishes fuck-all except to help the enemy is entirety different from the one when it's time to find new primary candidates and there's an opportunity for dissent to actually serve a useful purpose.
Weird how attempting to control peoples opinions online didn’t win Harris the presidency then.
Maybe the focus should’ve been on earnestly listening to concerns from the leftists under the umbrella instead of silencing them.
IT WAS TOO FUCKING LATE FOR THAT! Harris was the candidate. End of. There was zero possibility of replacing her with somebody more leftist. The choices were only "vote for Harris" or "help Trump." That's it.
Game theory is MATH, not an opinion!
Did you think I wanted that class traitor prosecutor bitch either?! Fuck, no! But, being someone who isn't a goddamn drooling moron, I realized that Trump was even worse and held my nose. That's how the system works, and it does not care how much you or I both hate it.
Nobody was trying to "control people's opinions;" we were trying to stop you from making an objective mathematical error that would destroy us all.
It wasn’t too fucking late for Harris to change messaging though.
You failed then.
Now you are seeing how it was back then. Imagine the guy you're responding to, and 100 more just like him ganging up on ya. And just as angry, stubborn, and mad as he is.
That's how it was back then. lolol
It’s like I never left Reddit lol
Harris is a neoliberal piece of shit. She wasn't going to change, no matter how much any of us whined or threatened to withhold our votes over it!
You could either understand that and work to reduce harm, or fuck up and ruin everyone's lives because you were too stubborn or stupid to accept factual reality.
Or vote third party. Which I proudly did. And will do again unless the Democrats stop fucking shit up.
So why didn't you speak up? Was it because you knew Lemmy would censor you? Do you think it's right to censor someone for what you just said?
The system is like that because you refuse to support third-party support. By you refusing to validate third parties, they don't have the pull they should have. But if EVERYONE voted third party, guess what? Shit would start to change. You are actually part of the problem, not the solution.
And how did that work out for you? What ended up happening?
That's a lie. "Vote third party" is a subset of "help Trump."
grue, I dont vote for genociders, full stop. Harris was going to continue Bidens support of zionism, thats just a fact. If we must literally feed the bodies of innocents and children into the gears of our "democracy" or it explodes, I say let it explode ASAP, because you'll just be voting for more genocide next election too, wont you.
Have the zionists relinquished their hold on the democratic party? No. Have the dem leaders kicked them out? No.
Maybe if you took the time to take a stand on that too our leaders would see they cant win by taking that position. Your "harm minimization" is short term thinking and just delays the inevitable. Sooner or later this has to happen, so lets do it now instead of after we have even more blood on our hands. You're just spending other people lives to stall for time.
The blood is on your hands anyway, because you had the chance to reduce harm and refused. In fact, it has accelerated and spread because of the actions of people like you.
I knew this would happen. I warned people like you that this would happen. And the last year has proven me correct.
You can deny it all you want, but that doesn't change reality.
Don't use the words game theory and harm reduction. You clearly don't know anything about either.
You are literally ignoring all of game theory based around games with repeated plays. Why? Because it shows the opposite strategy then what you are promoting works better.
When people point out that your vaunted game theory proves you wrong, that is when the phrase harm reduction comes out so you don't have to argue against people correctly pointing out that your strategy fails in the long term.
It's not clever, nor is it subtle.
Well said, brother.
Well said!
So do you agree with the censorship we had back then? Do you think it's ok to call people nazis, russians, and racists, just because they didn't support either of the two major parties?
I'm assuming you don't, but that was happening. And not just to me.
Dude, I had a guy DM'ing me telling me he was going to find out where I lived and post it on Lemmy so I could "find out what happens." Even tho that is against pretty much every single instance rule of any instance. All because I didn't think Harris was a great choice and I didn't think she could beat Trump.
Guess what? That guy is still on lemmy, and has a huge fucking list of bad shit in his mod history. But he's still here. Lemmy didn't care at all that he did that, and felt it was fair play, because I said both parties suck. Or as they like to make fun of back then: "bOtH PaRtIeS!"
I don't care what political environment was going on, trying to censor and get rid of people who weren't 100 percent on the Democrat Train back then was wrong.
Not only that, I feel vindicated. I see lots of people openly saying the same stuff now that I was saying then. And now it's not so taboo. But does that mean we're gonna have the same censorship in 2028? And if so, will be ok?
I'm not being snarky, I'd really like your opinion.
First of all, being called out isn't "censorship." You haven't given any examples of being censored (i.e. having your comments deleted by the mods or admins); you've only complained about how other users treated you.
Second, There were exactly two reasons to advocate against voting for Harris, once she was the candidate:
In other words, those labels were accurate because such people were materially helping the nazis, Russians, and racists.
I agree that doxxing you is not okay and that he should've been banned for it.
But you're either confused or not telling the whole story, because there is no such thing as "Lemmy" as a monolithic entity that can have a single opinion like that. You're actually talking about the decision of one admin of one instance, but attempting to crucify everyone on the entire network for it. (Or at least, everyone who doesn't conform to your particular viewpoint, which is a bit ironic for somebody complaining about being censored.)
Because NOW it's appropriate! BACK THEN it was objectively a mistake, and the passage of time does not retroactively change that!
In 2028 -- if we even have free and fair elections at all, because that's how catastrophic your preferred outcome has been! -- I will be there begging, pleading and screaming for you to quit trying to help the fascists by telling people not to vote for the candidate opposing them. And it will continue to NOT BE CENSORSHIP because that's not what censorship is.
Oh interesting. Good to know.
Yeah, and especially before the elections. I was here mid-2024. Holy shit, you have no idea how crazy it was then. People on Lemmy were so blinded by NotTrump!!!, that they would pounce on anyone who criticized the Democratic party.
I remember when Biden was starting to show bad signs of him not being all there mentally. Lemmy ignored it. Even during the famous presidential debate where it couldn't be ignored that he was not fit, Lemmy downvoted and removed posts about it. Until finally, the tide turned and everyone started to admit it. Then the Harris choice.
Now, it's pretty ok to criticize about how Harris was picked and how badly the Democratic party handled it. But at the time, oh hell no.
I remember being called a racist and a nazi for saying, "I don't know about Harris. She seems kind of bland and parrots Biden, I wish we had someone more independent." The shitstorm I got for that. People stalking me, downvoting all my posts, trying to find out where I lived, etc. DM's that told me to kill myself. Every day. All because I said Harris was a bland candidate. lololol
I had a guy trying to doxx me and find out where I lived by looking for clues in photos I posted of me walking in a park, so I had to change usernames and block all the political comms. Fucking crazy.
Even tho now a lot more people on Lemmy agree with things that match up to what I said then, not one single apology. Not one. Some of the people who openly attacked me, now even say the exact same things I said then.
I was "both parties suck" before it was cool. :)
Now having said that, if the democratic party can find a young person, with drive and who's independent and who really wants to changes things up, I could be on board. I like AOC. So her or someone like her would make me change my mind.
But until that happens, nah...both parties suck. lol
That sounds eerily like Reddit at the same time. I was absolutely lambasted for speaking up about Harris’ messaging on Israel and such.
Lemmy may not be quite as different from Reddit as we want to claim.
Definitely not. In fact, we gotta realize that a lot of people are here because they were too extreme for Reddit. So we are like the nerdier, meaner, more anti-social reddit.
I still like the idea of Lemmy, but the attitude of a lot of people here is turning me off. So many users seem to think censorship and exclusion are perfectly fine, as long as it's the 'correct' side doing it. They don't realize they're acting exactly like the Republicans they claim to hate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
Again, being called out on your bullshit isn't the same thing as being "censored." If you're feeling "excluded," well, that's what happens when you're wrong and refuse to see it.
Me saying that I support third parties because I was unhappy with both democrat and republican parties, isn't being "called out" on my "bullshit." It was fucking censorship.
I was called a nazi and a racist and a Trumper for saying that. None of it was true. How is that being called out?
Do you realize that what you said about Harris in your comments, would have been ban-worthy back in 2024 just before the election? Do you think that's ok?!
Because of the way the US electoral system works, supporting a third party is equivalent to supporting the candidate you wanted least. You were helping Trump, in factual and objective reality, whether you admit it or not. And helping Trump means those labels fit.
And having your feelings hurt because somebody accurately described what you did still isn't censorship, no matter how much you want to pretend it to be.
LOL. I did say those things back then, and yet I'm still here. QED.
Which you perpetuate by yelling at people, and trying to discourage them from vote third party. If every single person that was fed up, balled up and voted third party, then shit would change. But nah, you keep screaming at them and confusing them.
Not me. You don't confuse me or scare me. :)
I doubt you said those things in Oct and Nov of 2024. But hey if ya did, and managed to not get banned, good for ya. But lots of people were heavily brigaded and banned for saying stuff like that in October 2024.
And if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle.
Expecting a third party to win a US presidential election was straight-up delusional. Even when it's Theodore fucking Roosevelt it still doesn't happen! And that was someone with the name-recognition and supporter base of having already been President before!!!
The only way a third party could become viable is if voting reform happened first, by replacing one of the two major parties from within and getting it passed.
I discourage voting third party in the presidential general election! because it is objectively fucking moronic.
Refusing to be dissuaded from being objectively wrong isn't something to brag about.
Fine, if we're going to stop believing each other, then I think you were lying about being doxxed and have a gang-stalking delusion. Happy now?
Another motte-and-bailey fallacy, BTW.
Well yeah, because you added you little disclaimer. Imagine if you didn't have that disclaimer, you'd have had a much different reaction. lol
I proudly voted third party then, and I'll proudly vote third party again if democrats keep making the same mistakes.
(BTW, I edited my comment to delete that line because I posted it before completing the thought. But thank you for quoting it, because now I have a chance to address it in a less unwieldy wall of text.)
By "little disclaimer," do you mean the "but vote for her anyway because the alternative was worse" part? No shit I wrote that every time, because that was the main part of my point! It wasn't some sly tactic to appease the mods; it was the important thing I was trying to convey to people like you!
Anyway, what I meant to continue with is this: I don't think I was alone in having that attitude. In fact, I claim that many, if not most, of the people you characterize as full-throated Harris supporters trying to censor you were actually very reluctantly Harris-voting progressives and leftists desperately trying to get you to stop making the worst possible outcome happen.
That was almost single handedly the mod named jordanlund. He seems to have changed his behavior recently. Maybe.
He absolutely has not but will completely deny ever doing it
I can't/won't name names, but I will say, seems like ya were definitely around during those times!
He does seem to have changed his behaviour a lot, as have many others. So not sure if it's because of reality or trying to not get called out now, but it's still refreshing to see positive changes when it comes to ban hammers.