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The party is deeply hostile to anything that questions capitalism and the status quo. They're shooting themselves in the foot, again, by wanting to push Hasan away as a messenger. He clearly appeals to a certain demographic under the left's umbrella.
I think this is a good take from the Sam Seder crew regarding how new media operates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BACFyzIjehQ
Because of media fragmentation, two things. First, the vast majority of people do not know who Hasan Piker is. It's a big fragmented media landscape, so most people don't know who "everyone" else is in the media landscape. If you listen to Meidas Touch or Don Lemon, you probably have no clue who Hassan is.
Second.. People get whatever content they are going to get from whichever podcasts or news programs they like, and in general, they like the personality of the people they've developed trust in to give them the news or media analysis. People who know who Hassan is, they like him.
It's a form of positive selection bias. People like who they know and they know who they are because they like them. It's why they've come to know them.
The Hassan derangement syndrome thing is real and it brings no one to the table. It only serves to appease a small group of donors and only hurts the Democrats.
Amanda Litman (who runs the Run For Something organization) just wrote a nice piece about the Hassan vs Democrat Party conundrum:
(substack, I know, I know)
https://amandalitman.substack.com/p/build-a-bigger-tent-wait-no-not-like
This was a great read, thanks for sharing.
I know who Cenk's nephew is. Not a fan of either one. Though Hasan is definitely better than his uncle. That's a low bar.
Hasan gets some pretty stupid ideas in his head. However more often than not he has absolutely found himself on the right side. And I will absolutely commend him and others for going to Cuba to deliver aid. Amid our fascist's manufactured fuel shortage.
He's certainly a character. I find him somewhat insufferable, at least in mannerisms, but it's probably because I'm older. Chewing into the microphone, eating on camera, China glazing, arguing with chat. But clearly as media and taste's have changed, enough people like Hasan enough to build him up as the bugfest leftwing content creator.
But if you want to know where things are going and what people believe, how they get to those beliefs, you gotta at least recognize them as a political agent. And I do like their focus on media analysis (similar to Majority Report in this regard). They aren't covering the news if the day, they are covering how the news if the day is presented. Same as watching Meidas Touch to get an idea for what that audience is thinking, or Jim Acosta for understanding that crowd, or Don Lemon or Sabby Sabs, or TYT or dropsite or zeteo and on and on. If you want to know what audiences are being exposed to you gotta go to where that exposure is happening and watch and listen.
And in that landscape, well, Hasan is kinda a gorilla. Just, no left of center anyone is putting up numbers like Hasan does; not even by 10x. Outside of billionaire funded astroturfed RW channels, no one else has the numbers.
Like it's not about if I like Hasan or not, like, if they are to my taste. It's about whose got the numbers then trying to understand why. And Hasan speaks to a pretty unrepresented coalition of people who are far from rightwing, and also, far from naively supportive of Democrats. And I think it's because they are willing to be say the quiet parts out loud, like "US deserved 9/11".
He also taps into a demographic that the Dems have lost in the past - disillusioned young men.
Bad dog. No barking.
Put your shock collar back on and sit in place quietly like a good Hasan fan, @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world.
Oh Jesus, this bullshit from Destiny and Saltman has permeated here as well? Gross.
I have no idea who those other streamers are. But I’ve watched several hours of Hasan on his own merit, and that fella is a trog all the way through: The Rogan/Asmongold comparisons are right on the money.
Now sit in your place.
Just wanted to note that I've been enjoying your contributions lately. I perk up when I see TropicalDingDong has entered the conversation :)
You’ve completely lapped up their disinformation campaign while remaining ignorant of their existence then. Almost impressive.
I just refreshed my memory from the KYM dogtober page and both those people are mentioned once, offhand. What else would I know them from?
I did see a video of Hasan dragging his other dog by the tail and yanking it around. Did those other streamers make him do that?
Ethan Klein, Destiny, and Dan Saltman all have a hard on to take Hasan down and collaborate on how to do so frequently. They're obsessed.
You have fallen for a disinformation campaign.
My dude, you’ve fallen for a cult of personality.
Being knowledgeable about who Hasan is is not the same as falling for a cult of personality, but nice try lol
So you're denying he shocks his dog to keep him in place for the camera?
Hasan is a giant piece of shit. Period.
You clearly have never watched his streams, so it's very easy to dismiss your claims on this.
You're more than welcome to continue to try to spread rumors about Hasan and "take him down", but he's part of the political landscape, he's a voice on the left that is sorely lacking for quite a large demographic, and he is an influential pundit whether you like it or not.
The important part, though, is that establishment democrats and the consultant class over-value the type of media that participates in this derangement.
So we'll (again) end up with a democratic establishment that turns their shoulder to leftist independent creators and they will (again) lose and blame those same people
agreed, they want a coalition sized vote without acknowledging any of the concerns having that size of a vote needs. Bunch of spoiled rich crooked babies who refuse to do the hard work of leading.. and then they repeatedly lose and try to blame everyone else for their lack of attention to the voters who dont feel represented.
Yep. And let's not forget, just as recently as a year ago, Lemmy would ban people for saying "both parties suck." And anyone who supported third-parties were pounded on and called russians and nazis. That still happens, but not as much anymore, thank goodness.
Finally more and more people here are starting to come around to realizing that neither the democrats nor the republicans want to help us plebs.
Both parties do suck and as long as people keep shooing away third-party voters, they'll continue to suck. Remember guys, the only reason third-parties are weak is because you all refuse to support them.
Yeah, because context matters. The political environment when you're in the middle of the general election and infighting accomplishes fuck-all except to help the enemy is entirety different from the one when it's time to find new primary candidates and there's an opportunity for dissent to actually serve a useful purpose.
Weird how attempting to control peoples opinions online didn’t win Harris the presidency then.
Maybe the focus should’ve been on earnestly listening to concerns from the leftists under the umbrella instead of silencing them.
Well said!
IT WAS TOO FUCKING LATE FOR THAT! Harris was the candidate. End of. There was zero possibility of replacing her with somebody more leftist. The choices were only "vote for Harris" or "help Trump." That's it.
Game theory is MATH, not an opinion!
Did you think I wanted that class traitor prosecutor bitch either?! Fuck, no! But, being someone who isn't a goddamn drooling moron, I realized that Trump was even worse and held my nose. That's how the system works, and it does not care how much you or I both hate it.
Nobody was trying to "control people's opinions;" we were trying to stop you from making an objective mathematical error that would destroy us all.
It wasn’t too fucking late for Harris to change messaging though.
You failed then.
Now you are seeing how it was back then. Imagine the guy you're responding to, and 100 more just like him ganging up on ya. And just as angry, stubborn, and mad as he is.
That's how it was back then. lolol
Harris is a neoliberal piece of shit. She wasn't going to change, no matter how much any of us whined or threatened to withhold our votes over it!
You could either understand that and work to reduce harm, or fuck up and ruin everyone's lives because you were too stubborn or stupid to accept factual reality.
Or vote third party. Which I proudly did. And will do again unless the Democrats stop fucking shit up.
So why didn't you speak up? Was it because you knew Lemmy would censor you? Do you think it's right to censor someone for what you just said?
The system is like that because you refuse to support third-party support. By you refusing to validate third parties, they don't have the pull they should have. But if EVERYONE voted third party, guess what? Shit would start to change. You are actually part of the problem, not the solution.
And how did that work out for you? What ended up happening?
Oh interesting. Good to know.
Yeah, and especially before the elections. I was here mid-2024. Holy shit, you have no idea how crazy it was then. People on Lemmy were so blinded by NotTrump!!!, that they would pounce on anyone who criticized the Democratic party.
I remember when Biden was starting to show bad signs of him not being all there mentally. Lemmy ignored it. Even during the famous presidential debate where it couldn't be ignored that he was not fit, Lemmy downvoted and removed posts about it. Until finally, the tide turned and everyone started to admit it. Then the Harris choice.
Now, it's pretty ok to criticize about how Harris was picked and how badly the Democratic party handled it. But at the time, oh hell no.
I remember being called a racist and a nazi for saying, "I don't know about Harris. She seems kind of bland and parrots Biden, I wish we had someone more independent." The shitstorm I got for that. People stalking me, downvoting all my posts, trying to find out where I lived, etc. DM's that told me to kill myself. Every day. All because I said Harris was a bland candidate. lololol
I had a guy trying to doxx me and find out where I lived by looking for clues in photos I posted of me walking in a park, so I had to change usernames and block all the political comms. Fucking crazy.
Even tho now a lot more people on Lemmy agree with things that match up to what I said then, not one single apology. Not one. Some of the people who openly attacked me, now even say the exact same things I said then.
I was "both parties suck" before it was cool. :)
Now having said that, if the democratic party can find a young person, with drive and who's independent and who really wants to changes things up, I could be on board. I like AOC. So her or someone like her would make me change my mind.
But until that happens, nah...both parties suck. lol
That sounds eerily like Reddit at the same time. I was absolutely lambasted for speaking up about Harris’ messaging on Israel and such.
Lemmy may not be quite as different from Reddit as we want to claim.
That was almost single handedly the mod named jordanlund. He seems to have changed his behavior recently. Maybe.
He absolutely has not but will completely deny ever doing it