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You Disgust Me
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If there's a realistic choice beyond "Corporate Whores" and "Corporate Whores who also want to institute Christian Sharia law in the US", and you still support the whores, then yes, I will be right there front and center to call those people scumbags all day long.
However, everyone knows that is not the case in US politics within the electoral mechanisms we're currently operating under. Through that lens, being the person that knowingly votes for some niche candidate that they know isn't going to win any election against those two, knowing full well that by doing that you're making it that much easier for the Christofascists to scrape out a win and continue pushing this morality horseshit on the people...no, you don't get a pass. Not anymore.
The cost of a dozen eggs is of no fucking consequence when LGBTQ+ society is under assault. The price of a gallon of gas pales in comparison to the fact that ICE is out there literally wiping their ass with the constitution every day and the courts have no recourse to stop them. The fact that your property taxes may be a point or two higher or lower means precisely dick when you're watching a war be instigated and fought that nobody wants solely to distract the people from the fact that our president belongs on a sex offender registry so his movements can be monitored for the rest of his disgusting life.
I haven't considered myself a supporter of the Democratic party since they sidelined Bernie, but if my choice is them, or someone that thinks the things I listed above are just fuckin great, you're goddamn right Im going to pick them. Because at least with them we can stop the fucking bleeding. With the other guys, we're just counting down until someone decides to trigger a nuke and once that happens elections as a concept are going to seem quaint let alone all the other luxuries we enjoy like running water or a functioning power grid.
So when do we hold the democrats accountable for being openly detestable, if not when the they've handed the whole country over?
Our only chance at this not getting worse is a likeable candidate. We know democrats are committed to never running one.
What's the answer here?
Yes, the Democratic party running a true populist is the answer sure. We all know that's not going to happen.
The US Democratic plans to continue to eek out loses from the jaws of inevitable victory, and enjoy ongoing campaign funding and unaccountability, as their reward.
This, what we have today, is literally their whole platform. They helped plan this.
When do we hold them accountable for that? Is is still too soon?
When weve got the Christofascists in jail where they fuckin belong.
If someone comes at me with a gun while someone else is trying to set my house on fire, im going to focus on the dude with the gun, then deal with the fire. Theyre both a threat, but one is more of a threat than the other.
What you guys are basically wanting to do, to continue the metaphor, is go running around trying to find the hose while youre being shot at. And you know, thats fine, you do you, player. But dont act like its not completely natural and justifiable if most people, like me, would put their energy into stopping the bullets before giving even half a shit about the fire. The fire will have to be dealt with once the bullets stop. The fire will be dealt with, but there are bigger threats right now.
I think we're mostly on the same page, you just can still trust a Democrat, I guess?
Let's extend your analogy, though: the Democrats are shooting too, just not directly at me, at this moment. There's plenty dead at their hands.
I still might rally behind a Democrat to stop an authoritarian, one more fucking time.
And I might not.
We did this dance.
Democrats do not stop the shooting.
I am strongly inclined to trust a total stranger over an established Democrat.
I am not alone in that.
Even if a Democrat cared to save any of us, I do not believe that the Democratic party has the remaining influence to make any difference.
The Maga crowd got something right: the average Democrat politician is spineless, broken and unwilling or unable to disobey orders from a secret cabal of pedophiles.
If we could wake the Maga types up, they might realize the dumb fucks they're worshipping are part of the same pedophile ring.
I trust them to not be as bad as the MAGA types. That's why it's the lesser of two evils. I know that they're evil fucks in their own way, believe me.
I want a third choice, I truly do. I've long gotten behind third party candidates, and pulled their lever at the voting booth. I voted for Nader in 2000. I participate in the primaries. But at the end of the day, if my candidate of choice doesn't get nominated, I'm not going to abstain in the general if the choice is between the soulless vampire democrat and the Christofascist MAGAt that is running on a platform of making homosexuality punishable by death. I doubt there is even a majority of people voting for that democrat thinking they're the next FDR, they just know that by not pulling that handle, they're possibly going to give the Christofascist the win. We're choosing the devil we can live with versus the devil we can't.
Unfortunately, until we somehow get legal mechanisms in place that codify the basic human rights of the people the MAGAts are targeting in these fucking purges (that's basically what they are), and solidify the ability of the government to make it literally impossible for this kind of shit to happen going forward, this is what it boils down to. I want election reform, I want ranked choice voting, I want the level of representation to be adjusted so that the number of reps in congress isn't hard locked so that we can have more abilities for niche candidates to achieve the office and break the hold these two parties have, I want publicly funded elections, I want strict rules regarding the media as concerns elections. I have a feeling you and I both have a very similar set of values and ideas as to what constitutes a functional democracy.
All Im trying to say is, don't take people voting for democrats as endorsement of their bullshit. It's not that, believe me, it is not that. It's just the only other realistic alternative, the MAGAt, is so, so much worse, that we have no choice but to hold our nose and do whatever we need to do to prevent that asshole from getting into office...even if that is voting for the lesser of two evils.
Just stop defending the Democrats. They're more than willing to throw trans people under the bus, they supported, enabled and armed a genocide, they support wars, they support terrorism. You can vote for whoever the fuck you want, I don't care, but you'll never get a better world if you "vote blue no matter who", you'll get fascism.
Im not defending anyone. You notice I literally called them Corporate Whores, right?
What Im saying is people need to use their brain and think strategically about the situation and not be all Pollyanna about it. I'm sure 80% of the people that voted for Kamala didn't give a fuck about Kamala, I know I didn't, but the FACT is, every person in a purple state that voted third party likely contributed in some way to where we are now.
You're on a bus with 100 people and they take a vote for lunch. 40 people want Tacos, 40 want Pizza. The other 20 of people all want something different from everyone else...a few want sandwiches, this guy over here wants Thai food, those two old ladies want to go to a steak house. Are any of those people going to get what they want? No, obviously. It is a mathematical certainty that they will not.
But those 20 people, knowing they're not going to get what the want, can still at least take steps to not get what they absolutely don't want. They may not want either the tacos or the pizza, but they probably have a preference between those two. They can at least cast a vote for the meal they can live with, even if it''s not their favorite. At least they can eat something, and won't be sitting on a bus fucking starving for the next 6 hours until they stop for dinner.
As you said, people can vote for whoever they want. But here's what you can't do...you can't dig your fucking heels in, refuse to compromise, and then whine and complain afterwards when the bus is pulling into Taco Bell and not Pizza Hut if you fucking hate tacos. You could have cast a vote for Pizza, it might have won, and you could have at least had that and not Taco Bell. It might not have, of course, but at least that was a possibility. The Thai never ever was. No matter how much you wished it were so. No matter how much you cry and complain.
This is like, functional adult sort of stuff. People have to compromise every single day, that's life.
There always has been - 3rd and 4th parties.
"BuT tHeY hAvE nO aGeNdA" - fucking good. No agenda is better than perpetuating a century-long, systemic corruption by flipping the same rotten coin. 3rd party that's unaffiliated with the 2 shitheads has 4 years to come up and execute a plan while the rotten 2 seeth and stare. House and congress need an upheaval and and few turnovers as well.