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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[-] JJMcGee83@startrek.website 23 points 2 years ago

I'm so happy to have SNW back. Whoever decided to put Carol Kane in the show needs to get a raise; she is absolutely spectacular. I'm very curious to see where her character goes.

I enjoy the idea of Spock being more emotional it really puts it into perspective that Vulcans have emotions they just try to keep them under lock and key and Spock being half human is having a harder time with that compared to most Vulcans is... relatable.

I did not like weird green super power drug that Chapel and M'Benga took to fight the the Klingons. It came from no where, the shot on the eyes right out of Dread made me think it was literally Slo-Mo from that movie. It really wasn't necessary, they could have just grabbed phasers somewhere instead.

I'm not realy sure how I feel about them using the term false flag in Star Trek. The plot makes sense but still it's a very charged term today.

[-] abba2566@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the drug scene didn't feel great to me, they literally could have just found phasers or found a cleverer way around it.

I was wondering if you could explain the issue with the term 'false flag?' As far as I was aware, it's when party A carries out an action and tries to frame party B for it - which was exactly what was happening here.

[-] JJMcGee83@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago

I was trying to figure out how to explain it succinctly and found this link which does a way better job than I could have: https://www.adl.org/glossary/false-flag

[-] abba2566@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago

Ah, I understand your comment better. I am still not sure it's enough to turn it (generally) into a no-go term. Plenty of news outlets have been commenting on Russian false flags against Ukraine and that's used more in the context of how it's used in this episode.

[-] MikeyMongol@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago

Also, doesn't the term date back to the Age of Sail? And TOS was explicitly supposed to be Horatio Hornblower in Space. It makes sense thematically to use nautical terms.

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