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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 69 points 4 days ago

Better pass a rent freeze first or that property tax increase will just get passed on to the people who can afford it least.

[-] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 36 points 4 days ago

He's working on it. Link

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Rent freezes make landlords only do the bare minimum maintenance required by the law since they can't increase rents when doing any remodelling.

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 91 points 4 days ago

Honey landlords already do the bare minimum.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Only in rent-controlled markets. In other markets they remodel to jack up the prices, but you would complain about that too

[-] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You need more life experience if you think landlords only do the bare minimum in rent controlled markets.

I guarantee you, you are getting taking advantage of left and right without even realizing it.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Landlords will do more if they can charge a higher rent later. It's simple economics

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

Anyone with a brainstem would complain about that i think. Though I don't grant your premise in the absolute least.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

So if landlords put more money into renovation it's bad, if they don't it's also bad

[-] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 2 points 3 days ago

He's doing whatever he can to avoid admitting that he bought into rhetoric that only exists to make people richer than him even richer.

[-] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ahh, so what you're actually saying is rent freezes discourage landlords from renovating their property (with their tenant's money) and charging more rent afterwards?

Most people struggling to pay rent want a place that's functional, not one that's lavish. Once everyone has a functional place to live for a fair price, then we can focus on frivolities.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Yes, of course, we're comparing spending more money to improve the property and charging more for it to doing nothing.

Who would improve the property out of just good will? They have a business to run

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Yah you're right, all these poor, hard-working Landlords who serve the people must be protected at all costs, they do so much for the average renter, we can't dare touch their clockwork perfect system that SOOOO many people love.

Jesus christ, grow a clue.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Another way of looking at this is landlords won't be able to fancy up units and jack up prices which push out low income renters. Also, if landlords can't make a profit, they will sell which will allow more people to buy rather than be forced to rent. This does decrease the number of rental units in the future which could drive up prices, but it could be combined with a plan to renovate office spaces into apartments to counteract this.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

We want landlords to do this to serve the renters that want to pay more. Office spaces will be renovated to make apartments when rents are high enough to pay for this expense. You don't need a plan when market forces cause people to make sound business decisions.

The only thing you need to fix is zoning

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

That assumes market forces are doing what you want. There are always levers that can encourage the market to move where you want it to go. For example raising property taxes but giving a 10 year tax break to converted office spaces (and changes to zoning of course).

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

That makes markets less efficient in the long run. It might cost less in rent, but your office is far away and you pay for it in commute time. You didn't even know that in a parallel universe your company moved to a better office space that's in your city

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Efficiency and resilience are opposing forces. Think of the spare tire on a car. Is it efficient to carry around a fifth wheel all the time? No. But it is resilient because it will make it possible to quickly recover from a disruption (i.e. a flat tire).

The housing system needs a certain degree of resilience or people end up homeless. If that costs landlords money, too damn bad. It's the job of government to force them.

[-] chloroken@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

Lmao how many properties do you own?

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago
[-] chloroken@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

So you do the bidding of a class you don't belong to? How fucking sad is that.

[-] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 1 points 3 days ago

Wrong. Renters already pay what the market is able to bear.

[-] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Better pass a rent freeze first

Renters are already fucked in NYC. Stop making their lives worse with proven failures like rent control.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Rent control works in specific applications. First, it must be short term as a response to market shocks (like a sudden tax increase). It also must have a graduated taper off period where prices are allowed to gradually increase to meet the market rate. With the dramatic increase in work-from-home, office spaces are going empty. This creates an opportunity to counteract the usual reduction in the quantity of rental units that comes with rent freeze. Reductions of red tape and streamlining conversion of office spaces into apartments would stabilize or even increase the number of rental units.

The entire point is that there needs to be a comprehensive strategy, not just a simple tax.

[-] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

it must be short term as a response to market shocks

NYC has had rent control for decades. If we are talking about short-term rent control working, we are necessarily talking about removing rent control from NYC.

Talking about adding more rent control in NYC is doubling down on failure, doubling down on fucking over NYC renters.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I'm not necessarily saying rent control is the best response. It's just that raising property taxes is going to raise rents which is exactly what the city doesn't need.

[-] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 3 points 3 days ago

How is rent control a failure?

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