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Is Windows FOSS now? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[-] HappyFrog 315 points 2 months ago

As much as I wish this was true, I don't really think it is.

[-] lung@lemmy.world 228 points 2 months ago

It's just unsettled law, and the link is basically an opinion piece. But guess who wins major legal battles like this - yep, the big corps. There's only one way this is going to go for AI generated code

[-] Droechai@piefed.blahaj.zone 27 points 2 months ago

Worst case is that its the owner of the agent that recieves the copyright, so all vibe coded stuff outside local ai will be claimed by the big corpos

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 23 points 2 months ago

I actually think that's the best case because it would kill enterprise adoption of AI overnight. All the corps with in-house AI keep using and pushing it, but every small to medium business that isn't running AI locally will throw it out like yesterday's trash. OpenAI's stock price will soar and then plummet.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

The big AI companies would just come out with a business subscription that explicitly gives you copyright.

[-] ieGod@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

Unlikely since, as you say, it would deter business. OpenAI already assigns rights of output to the end user according to their licensing and terms.

[-] marlowe221@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

No attempt to argue with you, personally is intended here. But your comment raises another question that I’m not sure the law has answered yet.

What rights does OpenAI have in the output of ChatGPT in the first place? Because if the answer is “Not much” then their transfer of rights to the output to the user doesn’t necessarily mean much.

After all, OpenAI can only transfer rights that they have. If they don’t have any to begin with… 🤷‍♂️

[-] ieGod@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yep, totally fair question, and one that's being tested legally on many fronts. Rulings are generally siding with AI companies on the training side (using copyrighted works to train models is fair use) but there aren't many decisions yet about output. The next few years will be interesting.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 2 months ago

One would hope it could be first tested against a small time company that can't afford a good lawyer

[-] joker54@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Sadly, any lawsuit that opposed AI will have an army of lawyers defending the AI company.

Precedent affects all, and big companies know this.

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 months ago

It is true that AI work (and anything derived from it that isn't significantly transformative) is public domain. That said, the copyright of code that is a mix of AI and human is much more legally grey.

In other work, where it can be more separated, individual elements may have different copyright. For example, a comic was made using AI generated images. It was ruled that all the images were thus public domain. Despite that, the text and the layout of the comic was human-made and so the copyright to that was owned by the author. Code, obviously can't be so easily divided up, and it will be much harder to define what is transformative or not. As such, its a legal grey area that will probably depend on a case-by-case basis.

[-] ssfckdt 20 points 2 months ago

Yeah, it's like products that include FOSS in them, only have to release the FOSS stuff, not their proprietary. (Was kind of cute to find the whole GNU license buried in the menus of my old TiVo...)

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago

So, you're telling me I can copypaste 100% some of the ai slop books on amazon and resell it as mine? Brb, gonna make a shit site an absolute diarrhea

[-] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 12 points 2 months ago

If the AI generated code is recognisably close to the code the AI has been trained with, the copyright belongs to the creator of that code.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago
[-] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Since AIs are trained on copyleft code, either every output of AI code generators is copyleft, or none of it is legal to use at all.

[-] inari@piefed.zip 4 points 2 months ago

I may be wrong but I think current legal understanding doesn't support this

[-] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Under U.S. law, to prove that an AI output infringes a copyright, a plaintiff must show the copyrighted work was "actually copied", meaning that the AI generates output which is "substantially similar" to their work, and that the AI had access to their work.[4]

Wikipedia – AI and copyright

I've found a similar formulation in a official German document before posting my above comment. Essentially, it doesn't matter if you've ~~"stolen"~~ copied somebody else's code yourself and used it in your work or did so by using an AI.

[-] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago
[-] HappyFrog 11 points 2 months ago

Did you even read your own report? It says that AI works are copyrightable in certain circumstances, not that they make a whole project public:

Copyright law has long adapted to new technology and can enable case-by- case determinations as to whether AI-generated outputs reflect sufficient human contribution to warrant copyright protection. As described above, in many circumstances these outputs will be copyrightable in whole or in part—where AI is used as a tool, and where a human has been able to determine the expressive elements they contain. Prompts alone, however, at this stage are unlikely to satisfy those requirements.

[-] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

"AI-generated" works can be copyrighted. However, on the condition that the AI-generated elements are explicitly mentioned in the "Excluded Material" field. In other words, the parts generated by AI are not protected, only the parts that are expressed by human creativity. Courts in the U.S have already rejected registration for many AI works because of that.

P.S. I am completely opposed to (generative) AI as well as the copyright system. I'm just stating my findings researching the law and court cases.

[-] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Even if it were, it would be for you or I, but not for Microsoft, apple, Google, or Amazon.

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