@Alto @trashhalo @zerkrazus i know its bonkers! im the last one on my team who has dug my heels in and refused to RTO. my tasks involve working with a sister team based in Poland (im USA based) we have most of our infrastructure in cloud and whats not is located in data centers across the country from me. my work 100% online! seems to me if my employer is "upside down " in their office/buildings/mortgage" is NOT my problem!

This is why I'm glad my IT dept isn't pushing for RTO. Both our data centers are out of state rental spaces, so even in the office all our work is remote.

We are still teleworking full time, and will be at least until next spring, because they are renovating our building - they actually had us come in, clean out our offices and cubicles, and take our stuff home, so we literally have no desk to go to right now (if the need arises we can borrow a desk at another facility, but that space is extremely limited).

Part of the renovation is shrinking our footprint. We won't be able to all go in at once; there won't be enough space. So, when (if?) we go back in, 99% of the meetings are going to be us at whatever cubicle we were assigned that day, in teleconferences. Something we could do just as well at home. What's the point in making people drive in just to do that?

There is a remote work policy being developed and reviewed, and hopefully that will allow me to continue working from home indefinitely.

All of that said, I went to an in-person brainstorming/long term planning meeting for a club I'm in, and THAT worked extremely well in person. We wouldn't have been nearly as productive having it via Zoom, plus I could sit at meals and ask my fellow club leaders how they were dealing with this issue or that issue. So, I will admit that some things are better in person. But those types of meetings are in the minority - once or twice a year.