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I've seen several references to some sort of rift between the users of these instances today. What's happening?

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[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 90 points 3 months ago

Visit ML before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization including the deaths of most to nearly all peoples therein.

Whereas LW does not want that, go figure. 🤷‍♀️

Something something bOtH sIdEs SaMe.

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social 55 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

.ml users are also just immature weirdos. most of my harassing comments calling me insults come from .ml users.

they don't discuss and they don't read. they just shout and quote russian/chinese state propaganda about how people living in those countries are so wealthy and liberated and so much better than americans or europeans. and if you do cite sources, they tell you that those are american propaganda and all lies and ONLY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

oh, and the .ml opening talk about the power of violence and their violent fantasies of killing everyone who has a modicum of economic security and all claim to be the poorest of the poor, which I highly doubt.

I was a communist when I was 15, but even back then I was into the utopia part, not the mass murder fantasy part.

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 17 points 3 months ago

Actual communists here are on Threadiverse seem quite emotionally capable and are among the more pleasant to chat with. Examples there include slrpnk.net. I used to also say db0 though there always seems pushback nowadays whenever I include it, but I can't get anyone to give me a solid answer as to why besides unsubstantiated accusations that even on their face looks like pure BS to me. So I guess I'll keep saying it, just noting that it is a controversial point.:-)

Hexbears on the other hand are trolls, pure and simple, with zero regard for anything other than "the dunk" process of pwning someone - or rather, appearing to, from their own extremely childish POV.

Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml then are the leftist MAGAs, believing in alternative facts rather than living in reality. e.g. most claim that they would move to the likes of North Korea in a heartbeat, except, you know... I guess they took an arrow to the knee or some such. 🤪

I am so glad that I can block people from an entire instance. If I could, I would make an exception to the devs Nutomic and Dessalines out of respect for having offered the Lemmy sourcecode as FOSS, but other than that, I have not missed a single interaction with anyone on Lemmy.ml since I have done so, every time I've checked to see what I might be missing. They are the most batshit insane comments across the entirety of the Threadiverse, after Hexbear obviously.

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[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"the only communists who are actual communists are the ones who cater to my sensibilities as a liberal"

The only person spewing alternative facts is you, you can't seem to regurgitate a post without making up bullshit.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

they don’t discuss and they don’t read. they just shout and quote russian/chinese state propaganda

I do not understand how you can't see the irony here.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

We actually do read and discuss theory quite a lot, both online and when we are at party meetings (though many times the meetings are for organizing things like protests, or other matters). What you may be noticing is that we don't tend to "quote farm," ie find a relevant quote from a Marxist theorist, and use that as an argument. It's unconvincing and comes across as book worship.

This creates a 2-sided problem: either we worship theory, or we don't read it at all, in the eyes of liberals. It's a perfect, thought-terminating bubble where there's a great excuse ready-made to not take communists seriously, either we don't know what we are talking about, or we are detached from reality. It's simply impossible for us to not rely on quote farming while actually knowing what we are talking about. Same with "state propaganda."

I was a communist when I was 15, but even back then I was into the utopia part, not the mass murder fantasy part.

This more speaks to yourself not knowing what communism is, though. Marx and Engels have railed against utopianism, and were proponents of scientific socialism. Same with the idea of a mass murder fantasy.

[-] stickly@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

they tell you that those are american propaganda and all lies and ONLY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING THE TRUTH

It's better than that: you can back them into a position that runs directly counter to official CCP policy and they'll claim that it's a "western agitprop translation" from the original language. Support it with translation and testimonials from actual Chinese citizens and those get dismissed because they're impure enough to speak a dirty western language.

Some fun ice breakers for any ML post:

  • Why is it illegal to form a union in China?
  • Why does the PRC constitution guarantee freedom of the press but journalists require a liscense? [Bonus: how can you quantify a requirement like "journalist ethics"?]
  • Why is the number of executions in China a state secret?

Edit:

Cowbee spending 30k words in this comment section to explain how PRC citizens have so many freedoms but they can't use them because it could be counter-revolutionary but that's fine because everyone's interests are perfectly represented by the proletariat government but they don't need a vote in central government because that might undermine the state but they wouldn't vote against the CCP anyway because they're so open and transparent but the CCP shouldn't need to tell their citizens when arrests and executions happen but if they do tell you just trust that it's internal party corruption but a corruptable party doesn't give the proletariat an exuse organize themselves in other ways, which they could but they definitely...

[and also every ML insists that you don't know an AES state even if you were born in and lived there half your life, you gotta read more T H E O R Y]

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Why is it illegal to form a union in China?

It isn't, it just must be a part of the All-China Federation of Trade Unions to ensure that no "independent unions" can be wielded by the west or by capitalists to undermine socialism.

Why does the PRC constitution guarantee freedom of the press but journalists require a liscense? [Bonus: how can you quantify a requirement like “journalist ethics”?]

To ensure journalists aren't spreading western disinformation to de-legitimize the state and foment instability, as has happened time and time again in other countries.

Why is the number of executions in China a state secret?

For similar reasons as the prior two.

Edit: Why not respond? You said they were icebreakers, I don't see how editing your comment to essentially add a soyjack meme furthers any of your goals.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization

for the record when people say 'Death to America' it's wishing an end to the American government and its settler-colonial state apparatus.

Concern about the 'fall of Western civilization' is more often than not a dog whistle signalling reactionary politics.

also this isn't limited to election seasons, death to america

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Death to America

I dunno man, all other things aside (I have no opinion on specific Lemmy instances at all), when you're quoting Osama Bin Laden as part of your own beliefs or opinion, that's probably not cool beans, you know?

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I use she/her in case it doesn't show up in your app.

This isn't quoting osama bin laden, it's an Iranian slogan/expression.

America as a settler-colonial state is a world-historic evil, death to America

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago

I dunno man. You have a dog? Hitler had a dog...

[-] FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago

Osama Bin Laden and I happen to have the same position that the end of the USA as a political entity would be a positive thing. I probably also agree with him that breathing and having meals is necessary for survival.

Are either of those propositions made less true by virtue of Osama also believing them?

[-] MaeBorowski@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago

Death to America is a saying that goes back much further than Bin Laden, and there have been many good reasons for many people to say it. I'm sure many of the people indigenous to the land (that wasn't "America" to them) had a probably rather similar phrase and said it probably rather often as that entity commenced with their genocide. And since that time, it's not as if there hasn't been a lack of good reasons to call for the destruction of the settler-colonial project responsible for the worst imperialist cruelties since the British Empire (the immediate ancestor). But you might consider questioning why you seem to only associate the phrase with that one particular person.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago

This is some "Hitler was a vegetarian" level shit, but the tribalistic hogs here will upvote it anyway

[-] rzadkie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Then consider my (I assume) original: Burn the Burgerreich

Unless it's not the wording, but the messege that is problematic to you. But no respectable person would out of their own will be a dog of hitlerikkkan empire

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 months ago

Visit .world before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: .world will sell out as many Palestinians as it takes to buy political time in hopes of a blue wave that is definitely going fix everything and bring America(TM) back to its wholesome big chungus status.

Whereas ML does not want to carry out genocide to buy time for pointless political waffling, go figure.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

I really do love the tagging feature for the boost app, all I see is green tankie tabs everywhere when you guys show up.

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago

Oh hey, I remember you. You're the one who was equating anti-capitalism with being tankie.

https://lemmy.world/comment/21783242

Not beating the toothless lib allegations...

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Lol yea I'm the toothless one...the guy who's probably been tagged by a lot of people here for being staunchly pro2a and advocating for my LGBTQ+ people to get trained and armed....yea

[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

for being staunchly pro2a

Off topic, but there's a LiberalGunOwners community if you weren't aware. Not as active as it could, but still

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Yea I'm subscribed to it.

[-] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

Did you vote for Kamala or did you allow Trump to take power?

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago

Will you be voting for Ted Cruz, or will you allow Mecha Hitler to take power?

[-] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

Your political narcissism is incurable. Enjoy fucking people over for your feels.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 months ago

he said, stepping over the bodies of 500,000 children

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago

Your daily reminder that BlueMAGA liberals don't consider Palestinians to be people

[-] baller_w@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 months ago

Still coming up to speed on the terminology here, but labels aside, I would hope we can all agree on the fact that society should work for the people first. A society that works for corporations and the rich first (I’d argue that most developed nations show advanced stages of this, regardless of capitalist alignment) will decay internally, like a cancer. I think we’ve seen the global decline of society working for their members since the mid 1900’s.

This has resulted in a broad rightward swing in the US, and to a slightly lesser degree abroad. People feel like they’ve been taken advantage of. And they have been, but mostly by the very rich, and it’s getting exponentially worse by the day.

Argue nuance if you feel so inclined. But my point is: the more that we’re divided by these labels is to our detriment. And when I say “we”, I mean “not the ownership class.”

Do you work? Do you draft a paycheck anywhere on earth? Then you’re getting fucked, because those who don’t draft a paycheck to live basically don’t pay anything to partake in society. We pay for them. We truly live in a welfare state, but it’s not the poor that are the recipients but the rich.

Tankie or not. Western or Eastern. We’re all manipulated into serving the will of the powerful, and constantly at odds with one another when our plight is similar. We all don’t want to get fucked. But the more we’re divided, the easier it is to conquer us.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago

You are talking theory.

Now, in practice invite the MAGA over to your side, and see what happens.

Good luck!

Translation: consent needs to matter. Tankies do not care about your consent. They want to advance the cycle through the destruction phase to get to the other side that is all magical rainbows and fairy dust - just exactly like Russia, China, and North Korea are so well-known for, obviously.

And they will not let anything get in the way of achieving their goals. Not even facts.

Please do not allow yourself to become used like a tool by the oligarchy. Like both the (leftist) tankies and the (rightist) MAGAs have. They share in common a love for authoritarianism - and guess who gets to be at the top there? Hint: it ain't us!

Tankies want me and everyone that I have ever known or even met to literally die.

Something something bOtH sIdEs SaMe.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

Tankies want me and everyone that I have ever known or even met to literally die.

Unless you're Jeffery Epstein I think the odds of that are low.

Openstars attacking straw communists and positions nobody holds again. The living embodiment of brevity being the soul of wit.

[-] prole 2 points 3 months ago

The living embodiment of brevity being the soul of wit.

Yeah, I'm thinking you don't know what that saying means.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Why do you say that?

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