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[-] Goldholz 26 points 4 months ago

THAT GOT HIM BANNED??? NOT THE ANIMAL ABUSE??

[-] Jomega@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago
[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

I'm not sure it was ever bunked if I'm honest.

His dog yelped while Hasan's hands were off screen? That's a homeopathic level of evidence.

[-] SarahValentine 11 points 4 months ago

Not to the satisfaction of people who care about the ethical treatment of pets.

[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Oh whatever, don't even play that proto-vegan card. If you actually cared about animal welfare, or just pets I guess, then doing even the barest amount of research into Kaya would show it's BS.

Your misplaced outrage is nothing but virtue signaling.

[-] SarahValentine 9 points 4 months ago

Oh whatever, don't even play that proto-vegan card

I genuinely have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

If you actually cared about animal welfare, or just pets I guess, then doing even the barest amount of research into Kaya would show it's BS.

I watched the video of the abuse happening on stream. I listened to the meritless counterpoints of Hasan's defenders. I don't know what other "research" you think I should do.

Your misplaced outrage is nothing but virtue signaling.

Again with the nonsense accusations. Are you incapable of having this conversation without making shit up about the people you're arguing with? I'm not going to tolerate it. Good day.

[-] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 38 points 4 months ago

I watched the video of the abuse happening on stream.

You watched a clip of Hasan's dog catching her dewclaw on the edge of her bed and yelping, and Hasan being kind of rude about it because he was in the middle of a heated rant. You only think he used a shock collar because a bunch of drama slop-tubers made 'analysis' videos claiming to prove that he did with about the same rigor as right-wing 'transvestigators' claiming every school shooter is trans.

[-] SarahValentine 7 points 4 months ago

You should let scientists know you've developed telepathy and can determine what someone else has or hasn't seen without being told. I'm sure they'd be fascinated. I'm not.

[-] webadict@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

I mean, I think they got it right or you would've said otherwise.

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[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Hon, this situation is literally the exact definition of virtue signaling. You care more about expressing how against animal abuse you are, over the actual facts of what happened. Which is the same reason I call it proto-veganism. You're misusing the language of animal welfare advocates to instead be loud about one particular pet issue. (Pun intended 😉)

Look sis, if all you're asserting is that the video looked like abuse and all explanations to the contrary are baseless from biased parties, then there is very little I can say to convince you otherwise. I'm sure you think I'm a Hasan lover, when I truth I can't stand the man. His whole dude bro yelling style stresses me the fuck out, agree with his politics, but I NEVER watch his stream. Don't even have a twitch account.

So instead of going through all the points/counterpoints of this conspiracy can I just ask you to occams razor this? Is it more likely Hasan has secretly been shocking her for years, taping over prongs when accused and gaslighting everyone who comes to his house? Or that she bumps her paw against the bed, which you can clearly see in the video, and yelps at the same time Hasan reaches for something on his desk?

Look, you can make a tinfoil hat about anything you want. No one could stop you. But fundamentally, with all of the racist, sexist and transphobic shit happening in the US, is putting your energy towards Hasans dog really a good use of time? Even in the scope of animal abuse, this is nothing compared to the daily abuse of the meat and dairy industries.

Hasan was banned for correctly criticizing zionism and Israeli genocide, I truly don't understand why you're talking about a dog instead.

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[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 months ago

There is no video of abuse. You’re a moron who believes whatever narrative someone spins up for you. Get lost.

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[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 4 months ago
[-] SarahValentine 8 points 4 months ago

No, I also believe in the ethical treatment of strawmen /s

[-] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

If you're that die hard then you know owning a pet in and of itself is animal abuse.

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[-] prole 58 points 4 months ago

Hate the dude because you disagree with him (or are jealous of his looks or some shit), but the animal abuse stuff is so fucking dumb

[-] lennee@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

looks like an animal abuser to me

[-] Yesbutnotquite@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago

What makes someone look like an animal abuser to you?

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Well, being on video committing animal abuse, for one.

[-] prole 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Have you ever had a dog (specifically a large breed) before?

Edit: fuck shock collars, btw. Hope the implication here is not that big dogs need them. See my reply below.

[-] SarahValentine 18 points 4 months ago

If your next point is that a shock collar is necessary to train a large dog, first of all you're wrong about that. But let's say it is. Do you think it's ethical to "train" the dog to sit in the same spot on camera for hours on end, for streamer content? Because you'd be wrong there too. There is no defending Hasan's treatment of his dog.

[-] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 26 points 4 months ago

It’s not a fucking shock collar anyways he literally showed the model and everything.

[-] SarahValentine 12 points 4 months ago

He suckered you. Congratulations, you're gullible.

[-] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 20 points 4 months ago

I’d say the same to you, his evidence was pretty convincing

[-] HertzDentalBar 14 points 4 months ago

We live in a post evidence world. These folks don't accept any evidence that goes against their views.

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I have! They're beautiful. I never needed anything more than a standard leash and collar.

That said, I know nothing about this incident or the random Internet personality that no one seems to care about. I'm just chiming in because I like dogs.

Edit: I should also mention that I'm not a little prepubescent boy who can't control an animal. Is that relevant to the topic?

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[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 4 months ago

just curious, do you eat animals?

[-] lennee@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

do u beat children?

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 months ago

He never abused his dog, Kaya. No one have ever presented evidence that he shocked her.

Instead, idiots like you continue to spout misinformation because certain parties want to destroy Hasan's character as he's gaining national notoriety.

Watch his streams. See how much Kaya loves him. Then ask yourself if he's a dog abuser, and that abused dogs would do what Kaya does on a daily basis

[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 4 months ago

quick question, are you vegan?

[-] Goldholz 6 points 4 months ago

Yes. Cant get me with "what-about-the-other-animals"

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It was pretty obvious since you value an alleged dog shock collar more than brown babies

[-] Taldan@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

This mentality is so supremely unhelpful

You're creating an incredibly high barrier for change, which only leads to inaction. The more issues you tie together, the less consensus you can get

There is always another issue to point to. What about malaria? That kills more people each year than all global wars combined. When was the last time you donated to anti-malaria efforts?

We should be agreeing on the topic at hand, not attacking each other over separate issues. You'll never agree on every issue, but you can always agree on at least one issue

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago

You’ll never agree on every issue, but you can always agree on at least one issue

Which is why he shouldn't do whataboutism purity testing in a thread about Zionist censorship?

[-] decrochay@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You're missing their point. Two things we know about Hasan:

  1. He's an influential and outspoken critic of human rights abuses, which has made him a target of the people/institutions responsible
  2. He might have used a shock collar to train his dog which he might have used on stream

Even if the latter is true, giving more weight to it than the former seems pretty disproportionate (imo).

As a vegan I abhor violence toward animals (and humans) and was dismayed when I saw the original clip. But after being absolutely pummelled with bs outrage "analysis" videos, to me it became clear that there was a coordinated campaign being waged to smear him, very likely from those whose abuses he criticizes.

If he uses a shock collar to train his dog, I do not like that. Ultimately, my conclusion though is that I do know that he has consistenty taken a stand against fascism, and to me it is clear which of those has more substance.

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[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 4 months ago

well that's great, glad to hear that! you might want to change your password or something bc someone is posting otherwise on your account, which is so weird.

I am mostly vegetarian, eating meat only once a week

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

Pretty rich to say that when this whole digression is just going "what-about-hasan's-dog" to an unrelated incident.

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