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soo when will California declare independence?
A union with Oregon and Washington state would be nice too (us west coasters should work together)
Eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington might team up with Central California and fuck it all up.
Don’t they grow most of the food?
The West Coast grows most of the money. They can buy food.
Read the comment again, they’re talking about the farming parts of California not wanting to joined the rest of the state in leaving.
There is precedent for an import economy for California - we already are an effective energy bubble (importing the majority of our oil from tankers) due to our geographical separation from the rest of the US.
That being said, I would place my money on our population centers using their economic power to "convince" the farming parts of California to stick around.
I'm out here and will def help run those ass backwards fucks over to Idaho
As a WA resident, I’d welcome that union.
along with the NYC as long as they get rid of thier rich GOP districts.
Yup but should be done after election to see if we will have a nation or not
It'll never happen, as nice as it sounds.
So I'm Canadian and we have separatists in, now 2 provinces.
Whether the latest is a conservative US psy-op, is up for debate. But that is probably part of it.
The Quebec separatists have been angry for the total of my lifetime and being from BC I've mostly ignored their plight of "different culture" but I never wanted to lose that chunk of the country and to me it's part of the greater Canadian culture.
The Alberta "separatists" are different, they are more like traitors.
Citing stats like, "Alberta (oil and gas province, the "Texas" of Canada) contributes more in equalization payments to other Canadians provinces!", which is true, as a total sum.
But the morons don't understand that equalization payments are taken from federal taxes in a bracketed tax system, so it just means on average, Albertans are richer. The rich they cry that they're not getting fair share...
Epitome of greed.
They believe because they were simply born there, moved there, that all the mineral and oil and gas profits belong to them. They're even more idiotic to believe the producers will share these profits with them.
They're not taking that away from our country, and it's worth going to war over. I think California would end up falling into the same situation of belief, though reversed between conservative and left-of-conservative views.
They'd go to war over it. So bit of a dangerous play.
Yep, and the equalization payment garbage really sums up the right-leaning mentality that's pushed on society lately as well; if the results aren't immediate, it's not worth doing. These traitors scream about how they pay more than other provinces and get nothing back. The fact is they get a lot back, it's just not immediately apparent.
Equalization payments help "have-not" provinces who need the boost, which strengthens those provinces. Strengthening the "have-nots" makes Canada stronger as a whole and more united, which very much helps Alberta (and every province). The "fuck you I got mine" attitude that gets pushed by Conservative gov'ts is a toxic cancer that's spreading through the population and makes it easy for them to push their division politics, like Danielle Smith does. You're meant to get sucked into it to fight the culture war so you don't look up and fight the class war.
also, if we didnt just let these multinational oil companies just siphon off all the profits and leave messy orphaned wells for the public to clean up, albertans would be better off
If we had started a sovereign wealth fund like norway, instead of shipping all the profits overseas, we would all be better off..
I would actually support oil and gas if it actually benefitted the nation.
Canada got rid of the british, but not the corporations that are the true colonizers still extracting from the land and the people and sending the wealth overseas
Capitalism is the root cause of every modern societal problem, and also the biggest obstacle to most solutions.
The Heritage Fund was our Noway fund, it was just mismanaged to the point of nonexistence. Smith "brought it back" but I suspect it's going to just be a slush fund to increase pension payments for the first couple years after dumping CPP to make it seem like the APP performs better.
I'm still waiting for New California Republic, Americans.
I get that what's I'm going to say is crazy, but I think it would be a lot easier to just remove trump from office than gain indipendence. Neither would be "easy" but balkanizing the US is just not gonna happen.
Famous last words of many empires
The last time this was seriously touted weather hit a few weeks later and the state cried for federal help. Whether its a good idea or a bad idea isn't the point. The point is the state can't support itself so independence will fail regardless.
Off the top of my head I don't know what time you're referring to but..
Is it "crying" for help, or just trying to utilize FEMA.. the thing that's setup for that exact situation?
I was referring to the 2020 fires. And It was both. I say "crying" because literally one week the vocal statement was "we don't need the federal government" and the next week it was "you need to give us federal aid now".
Yes, that is what FEMA is for, and California should (and did) get it. But the F is FEMA is Federal. You can't have it both ways.
Again, I'm not for or against the concept. I'm just saying its very clear California is not able to separate.
I think there's a clear distinction between your characterization and the reality which is that California contributes massively to the US government in EXCHANGE for federally funded services like FEMA. The money California generates for the US could just be relegated to their own FEMA.
That's a fair point. The FEMA funding can be redirected. However my "characterization" is based on the tone of actual responses so that doesn't make it inaccurate. But I'll go with that wording because I think its a good description as well.
My point is, the California budget is in shambles constantly. This fact is emphasized by negatives in the state as well. I do not believe that the state government can adequately create a functioning independent government, even if they get to keep their federal payments. More money doesn't fix inherent problems. They haven't proven that they can't manage what they are doing today, let alone give them more responsibility.
I think its not a very mature outlook to discuss independence when you don't have your crap together.
You seem to believe that the CA government has good management over everything. I'm OK with that but I disagree. And I think that's the root of the separation in our thinking and interpretation of things.
I actually think it would be a good serious consideration of breaking from the union, but I'm not sold on it. And I don't think the state is ready to have that discussion.
Nah I'm mostly coming from a funding point of view. If the budget management is fucked, then it's fucked. Though I wonder if conservatives fleeing California after secession would alleviate that. Either way, it's a fair point. Thanks for providing more insight!
Sounds a lot like Texas in the winter.
Exactly. I'm watching to see what northern TX is getting now wondering how bad it gets.