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Granted, the part

The globally recommended app by privacy and security experts, Signal, is now being downloaded massively and tops the Danish Google Play Store

is a little ironic, but you gotta push this winning tide and then work from that.

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[-] Mucki@feddit.org 49 points 1 month ago

It is the least evil for the ignorant technology end user.

[-] saimen@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago

Problem is if they change to Signal now they are less likely to change again to something "better".

[-] devfuuu@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

There's no better. When that hopeful better comes we will all think about it.

[-] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

pretty big fan of http://delta.chat/ secure and decentralised

[-] devfuuu@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

They are supreme denialists and try to gaslight people into believing that Foward Security is a thing you don't need. I may have it installed and the ui is cute enough, but I can't even consider it hitting close to the level of security Signal employs. It's basically a toy experiment.

[-] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago

bummer, i had not realised that forward security was not there :/

sounds like its a while off.

https://delta.chat/en/help#pfs

[-] devfuuu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I went there to read it again and their position changed recently. So it's not there, but now they claim that a design is planned to include it in the future, maybe, eventually. Which is better than before since they were really trying to tell people with manyyyy arguments why we shouldn''t need it, which was a completely insane position to have in the world we live in.

[-] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

Is that not just chat over email? I thought it used to be, and some of the language on the site is still kind of suggestive of it, but it does sound kinda different. Maybe I'm confusing it with something else. If it's still just fancy email, I'm not sure I like that idea since email has so many privacy issues baked in deep.

[-] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 month ago

i dont know much sorry, think you would want to start with https://chatmail.at/

[-] alfredon996@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago

Telegram is still better, while not being ideal, of course. But at least its servers aren't located in the USA.

The ideal options are decentralized/p2p, but for now they have very few users (not many less than Signal, to be fair).

[-] RepleteLocum 24 points 1 month ago

Telegram is worse. There's only pedos and russians on it, not to mention the french government having full access to the servers.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 13 points 1 month ago

The software with encryption disabled by default, no security audits, and rampant spam is better?

[-] alfredon996@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago

E2E encryption it's not the only feature that matters. By the way, I am not promoting Telegram, I only mean that relying on US-centric infrastructure is bad because you can be disconnected away at any moment.

[-] 9bananas@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago

telegram is the absolute wirst when it comes to constant spam from scams and bullshit group chats... it's an utter cesspool.

[-] Mucki@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

Elaborate please.

[-] Wrdlbrmpfd@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

Concerning the usability, yes. Otherwise Matrix would be the best option, it can be hosted locally.

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Ignorant feels harsh, technically accurate but harsh. Yes technology permiates our lives but its such a broad term that no one can be fluent in all its aspects and most of us have to have in depth knowledge of at least one part of it to do our day jobs. We can't expect everyone to have the time to learn about the inner workings of communications infastructure.

[-] architect@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 month ago

Why do you think that? The owner of it is alt right and the fascists are using it. Why feel safe on it? Doesn’t make sense.

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