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Newly released files show how Maria Farmer, who worked for Mr. Epstein in the 1990s, had urged the F.B.I. to investigate him. The case went nowhere for years.

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[-] AnalogJack@lemmy.world 71 points 3 months ago

The 5th Director of the FBI, Louis Freeh, who was director at the time of the complaint, was literally appointed by Bill Clinton. Furthermore, the 3rd director, William Webster, was appointed by Jimmy Carter, and the 7th director, James Comey, was appointed by Barack Obama.

[-] nulluser@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

I believe you're counting the directors wrong. Freeh was the 15th, Webster was 11th, and Comey was 18th. https://www.fbi.gov/history/directors.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Shh. This is lemmy, where we make excuses for democrats no matter what they do.

[-] mriormro@lemmy.zip 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is not reddit and when you make these kinds of insinuations you only ever wind up sounding like a conspiracist or a dolt (perhaps both).

You'll find a large majority of Lemmy instances are pretty critical of the US Democrattic party and rightly so.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

You’ll find a large majority of Lemmy instances are pretty critical of the US Democrattic party and rightly so.

I have not found that to be the case. Say anything less than worshipful of the genocide wing that runs the party and you'll get pushback. Try it for the very first time.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

By which I mean your sweeping, obviously inaccurate claims about the userbase, not the genocide, which is definitely happening, happened under the previous administration too, and is extremely fucked up, and likely contributed to the fascists getting elected given how abysmally the DNC handled the entire situation?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You have a lot more issue with my saying that lemmy makes excuses for democrats than you do about the straight up lie that no democrat has ever appointed an FBI chair. Because that lie is there to excuse bad behavior of democrats.

not the genocide, which is definitely happening, happened under the previous administration too, and is extremely fucked up, and likely contributed to the fascists getting elected given how abysmally the DNC handled the entire situation?

The prevailing consensus on lemmy is that the democrats did nothing wrong at all and the mean old voters denied them the election.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago

You're literally in a thread full of people criticized ng Democrats and claiming it never happens. Why do you like to delude yourself?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I'm saying that lemmy has a lot of people who make excuses for democrats no matter what they do, as a response to some preposterous bullshit about democrats never appointing an FBI chair. Misinformation that no one seems to have much of a problem with and that has like 80 upvotes despite being an outright lie.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

You said the consensus, not just a lot of people. You're moving goalposts now that you've been called out.

How's that for fact checking

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Can't even rephrase something without the people who support dishonesty to protect democrats from criticism nitpicking.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

I'm not one of those people, so I'm not sure who you're talking about.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I'm talking about you particularly in this case. If democrats look bad, you look for excuses and they don't have to be true.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

Oh, I know that's what you're trying to paint me as, but given that's not how I operate, your attempts to distract from your disinformation campaign with this shift to ad hominem disinfo is pretty laughably transparent

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

your attempts to distract from your disinformation campaign

It's not disinformation to correctly say that democrats have appointed FBI directors. Even if that makes centrists look bad.

[-] hatorade@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Disinfo is when you make statements that are backed up by reality, Google, and wikipedia.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Disinfo is anything centrists don't want to hear. Shit like "don't make shit up just because your politician looks bad" or "genocide is wrong even when democratic politicians enable it."

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

I never said it was. And given that you obvit can't seem to follow the conversation you're participating in, I'm done.

[-] mriormro@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

And we're arguing against your thesis. Most all Lemmy communities are, at the very least, highly sympathetic towards leftists and somewhat hostile towards neoliberals.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Most all Lemmy communities are, at the very least, highly sympathetic towards leftists and somewhat hostile towards neoliberals.

And repeatedly ignoring the glaring example of someone making shit up to excuse the clinton administration's negligence about clinton's buddy epstein.

There's always someone on lemmy to make excuses for the worst shit democrats do. Always.

[-] mriormro@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

And repeatedly ignoring the glaring example of someone making shit up to excuse the clinton administration's negligence about clinton's buddy epstein.

I've never commented on that person playing into and broadcasting obvious dem\neolib propaganda but I agree with you that they're either deeply mistaken or, worse, lying.

There's always someone on lemmy to make excuses for the worst shit democrats do. Always.

Of course there is. There's people on Lemmy making excuses for literal fucking Nazi's. What's your point? That Lemmy contains manifold people\opinions? Oh no....

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I’ve never commented on that person playing into and broadcasting obvious dem\neolib propaganda but I agree with you that they’re either deeply mistaken or, worse, lying.

Congratulations on admitting that their excuse exists at all and wasn't factually correct. After significant prompting.

Of course there is. There’s people on Lemmy making excuses for literal fucking Nazi’s. What’s your point?

That it happens too often and in favor of too much reprehensible shit.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sounds like you may have been banned from communities that are expressing more nuanced opinions. Perhaps because of your fairly obviously dogmatic stance (not on genocide, but on how people are reacting to it)

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Sounds like you may have been banned from communities that are expressing more nuanced opinions.

Sounds like you're gloating about pro-genocide echo chambers.

Lmao again what the actual fuck are you talking about

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Sorry, I can't put it in any simpler terms.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

For anyone with actual passable English reading comprehension skills, it absolutely does not.

[-] mriormro@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago

Try it for the very first time.

This line just proves that you're not interested in a serious conversation. You'll find in life that if you listen before you talk you'll often learn quite a lot of useful things.

Take care.

[-] nulluser@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

If you really believe this, then you have serious reading comprehension skills and/or only interpret everything in a way the reinforces your existing biases . From my experience, a majority of people here, myself included, would happily see both parties burn to the ground and replaced with a system that empowers We The People to choose real representatives.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Another person who has never heard the excuses because they've never given anyone occasion to employ them.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago

I would have made some kind of sarcastic joking "welcome to lemmy" comment, but your profile says it was created two and a half years ago in the era of the great third party app reddit exodus.

The biggest Democrat "support" I generally see here, and which I have contributed to myself, is the suggestion that it may be a good idea to vote for a severely flawed Democrat in order to avoid everything we're seeing right now and have waiting for us in the next 3+ years.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The biggest Democrat “support” I generally see here, and which I have contributed to myself, is the suggestion that it may be a good idea to vote for a severely flawed Democrat in order to avoid everything we’re seeing right now and have waiting for us in the next 3+ years.

Three comments up is someone lying and saying no democrat has ever appointed an FBI chair because a Clinton appointee was head of the agency when the allegations were ignored. It's heavily upvoted.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

They're misremembering. What they're trying to remember is the fact that no Democrat has ever been appointed to run the FBI. Democratic presidents appoint Republicans to run the FBI.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

You're making excuses for excuses.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Put away the pillory. You're obsessed.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

keep excusing behavior you know is wrong.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago

This is not the gotcha you think it is.

First, the comment you chose is replying to another comment you don't choose that DID blame it on Clinton and got far more upvotes. And if you care so much about votes then this post of yours seems to have been rejected by the collective so far.

But more importantly, I responded to your broad generalized statement with one of my own. I don't know why you think a single counter example (even a good one and not just somebody being wrong) is going to shatter my statement as if it's a scientific theory.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

First, the comment you chose is replying to another comment you don’t choose that DID blame it on Clinton and got far more upvotes.

The one blaming it on clinton wasn't telling an obvious lie. Since this is lemmy, the lie was welcome because it absolved the centrist wing of the party.

I don’t know why you think a single counter example (even a good one and not just somebody being wrong) is going to shatter my statement as if it’s a scientific theory.

Do you really want me to list all the times people on lemmy have lied and made excuses for the centrist wing of the democratic party? Will you immediately dismiss them and make excuses for them like your "being wrong" garbage?

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

They do exist, but in my experience they are somewhat rare here.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

In my experience they aren't, but I'm often the one they're making excuses at.

[-] hatorade@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You getting downvoted for this is just proof they hate you calling it out. If they weren't offended by the truth they'd stop downvoting you.

Edit: and it still happens when directly called on it too, no irony or shame from them

[-] drhodl@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What mental fuckery is this? He got downvoted for being wrong, not as "proof he called it out". You must be a magat, because sane people can't twist like that.

[-] hatorade@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

"If you don't the party that didn't stop the Republicans you must be a Republican" good logic.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 11 points 3 months ago

Youre right. He was also previously appointed by Bush. Not exactly a partisan, and the FBI still would gladly have gotten Clinton for this if they'd been aware of his involvement

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

OP is misremembering. The real key is that no Democrat has ever been appointed to run the FBI. Democrats always appoint Republicans to run the FBI.

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