Edit: Oops, it is /r/Tennessee, not /r/ProgressiveHQ
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This is why Reddit is garbage and anyone that still has an account on there is only fueling the fire. Fuck Reddit and their mods
Reddit's glory days were when it was big enough to have consistently interesting stuff, especially in the niche subs, but not so big that bad actors (corporatization, foreign influence, domestic partisan bots, hate groups) could enshitify it. Now it's practically unusable.
Ice soap and 2AM chili were peak reddit.
Knowledge is power. France is bacon.
Monacles and narwhales!
Stupid long horse.
You think Lemmy is better? Mods here are engaging in the same shitty behaviours. Lack of moderator accountability is a serious issue on this platform.
Edit: brigading just proves my point, you dumb fucks.
Public mod log is a big accountability improvement over the absence of information Reddit has
Remember when the person behind GamingOnLinux decided to leave Lemmy after someone pointed out their community manipulation tactics in the modlog? Something that you have to assume they had been able to get away with as a Reddit mod. They then took to Mastodon or something to complain about how a modlog being public is "bad design".
What kind of agenda would a GamingOnLinux powermod push?
IMO the biggest flaw is that the mod log doesn't append a copy of the content that was deleted. It allows mods to just straight up lie.
From what I have seen, removed comments definitely are still visible in the modlog. But if the mod just bans the user instead of removing the comment, all the user's comments are automatically removed as a result and are not visible in the modlog. All that said, you are correct, this can be abused by moderators who understand the distinction and take advantage of it.
But really it’s a human problem. As long as humans get power, they will misuse it. Perhaps not all, but some will.
The key is to prevent any one human (or associated group) from gaining too much power. With limited exceptions, it ends poorly.
I absolutely have observed mods on Lemmy engaging in the same shitty behaviors (I am sitting on a post about a little cabal of !progressivepolitics@lemmy.world people who seem to be trying to rig the discourse in a particular direction to meet their electoral goals). But the simple fact of it being less centralized and more transparent (and with more of a culture of effective pushback against the mods) makes it a lot harder. They can't just say "lol get fucked" like the mod from this post did and have that be the end of the story.
Plus federation means that the admins can't just step in and shut down any competing communities unless they are on their instance. And if that happens, it just starts up on another instance.
I’ve seen the mod in that community delete comments that simply disagreed with them or called out their deletions. It’s always “harassment” or something no matter how polite people are being.
i mean lemmy def is better. we dont have one ahole controlling everything here.
Honestly yes, I have not had much problems with mods (and admins!) deleting the words I've taken time out of my day to write.
Free Luigi Mangione!
You've been lucky.
I'll give it more time then. I spent years on Reddit and intend to spend years here.
Modding attracts a certain type.
As part of the LW Community Team, I've tried to combat this in a couple ways.
One is that when we need moderators for a community I don't just put up a post that says "who wants to mod?" Instead I try to draft specific individuals one at a time who are relevant to that community.
You wouldn't believe how many people just tell me no. They have time to post to Lemmy a dozen times a day, but they just don't have time to mod c/threepostsaweek
The other is that I try not to just keep recruiting mods we already have. It's very easy to turn to the people already doing the modding and ask them to pick up just one more, but we've seen what that has done to Reddit, and I'd rather not repeat it.
But all this takes time and effort, and it doesn't seem to have much effect yet. I probably just need to keep at it.
Exactly
I finally left the platform entirely a few months ago, but for a time I maintained an account for discussion on hobby and niche topics. Nothing political, and it would be a real stretch to call any of it controversial. After I got a very dubious account suspension, I just said "fuck it" and moved on.
Can't say I miss it either. It's a fucking cesspool.
I get so mad whenever I see a post hating on Reddit, but yet they are still there and making posts. Like wtf, Lemmy is great, a lot more people should’ve migrated here, but it’s like they like the abuse.
I hope you realize Lemmy is just as bad, maybe even worse
We have MAGA mods suppressing voter turnout?
We have .ml propaganda blaming our only hope of resistance for everything the Nazis do.
It's not much different from the projection tactic the GOP use. Just in this case it's "you didn't stop it".
Ml dont have much influence and we can easily remove them by blocking or defederating them because no one controls lemmy and that is the beauty of lemmy.
that's a bingo
Many instances defederated .ml and you can block the instance.
But lemmy allows for various viewpoints unlike reddit which is mostly run by the same mods in every large subreddit.
That's fair.
There's also a handful of users on other instances that love bashing the dems for not being left enough or something. These are just a few nutters, not really moderators pushing agendas.
Those nutters are sometimes mods. Try criticizing Stalin on any lm community, see how fun.
Because obviously only MAGA can be bad people. Yeepee China and Russian number one!
/s needed because we’re on Lemmy
I'm not sure if you're American, but for me as an American Maga impacts my life many times more than china or Russia so maga's evil is far more relevant in my life. But either way you are doing a lot of whataboutism.
The comment I was responding to pretty much said the only abuse is about MAGA stuff. As for whataboutism, idk how you can do better
I’m not in the USA.
Shirley, you jest..
(and yeah, am calling you Shirley..)