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[-] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 141 points 6 days ago

Both things can be true.
One step at a time.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 93 points 6 days ago

Yeah, splitting up isn't a great thing right now. Let's team up together and fight the nazis.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 65 points 6 days ago

It's almost like some people here desperately want to create division in the left.

Glad to see it backfiring on one post.

[-] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 6 days ago

You're the only person in here talking about splitting up?

Let's just make sure when this is over, that actual leftists are put in charge so we don't get a repeat of this in 20 years.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Dude, the leftists shitting on liberals thing is extremely strong around here. You would think the only enemy in sight is the Democratic Party to hear some tell it. Oh look, here comes someone right now to do exactly that!

[-] NotACIAPlant@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

The Democratic Party is the insidious great apologizer for Capital. The Democrat Party funds the wars, were the original kings of "mass deportation", and have been the architects of numerous an austerity policy that has betrayed and immiserated the working class.

The Democratic Party is the more advanced villain, as they wrap their rhetoric in the language of moralism to make them immune to criticism from more "left wing" moralizers. Which is why many are stuck arguing to death in petty fights with the rhetoric of reform and moralism of the Left Wing of Capital while the republicans are more openly evil who are easy to dismiss and not argue with.

Only through recognizing both the Democratic and Republican party as institutions of class control will you ever make progress.

[-] greenbit@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

Yes Dems are antilib/antileft as well

[-] nixus@anarchist.nexus 3 points 5 days ago

Well then maybe the Democratic party should stop supporting the Facsists, and should start fighting against them.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Let's just make sure when this is over, that actual leftists are put in charge

Leftist don't want to get organized to be a third party or vote as left as they can in major parties. They won't be in charge because they don't want to be engaged.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago

People who are not represented by the two party system are disenfranchised by First-past-the-post voting.

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[-] kittenzrulz123 4 points 5 days ago

Im willing to work with anyone who has a real backbone and is acturally willing to fight fascism. People who reject all fascism even a compromised fascism lite.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Walking in the direction of only one.
Because the other is merely a stop on the way.

If you don't strive for the best option, you'll settle for compromise.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 days ago

That's what politics is, compromise. That's why "they" say to shoot for the biggest thing you want, because half way there is still better than when you first started.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

No, that's what centrism is, compromise with the right.

We fight for what we want, and we don't stop halfway sorry.

[-] Soulg@ani.social 6 points 6 days ago

Yeah you get the compromise first, people realize that it's great, and push farther from that. Taking the big leap, while not impossible, is much harder and less likely to succeed the way you want.

But you don't really seem to care about nuance and just want more excuses to insult people who aren't as left as you are. Obviously even liberals think ubi is the best option

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Obviously even liberals think ubi is the best option

And leftists don’t.

UBI is a bandage for capitalism, it’s not a real solution anyone should be pushing for and will remain at risk of being cut for as long as it’s ever implemented.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

Is our next step going to be passing conservative legislation and pretending its a win for 15 years again?

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