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lol hard doubt
edit: ~~to all those who can't employ critical thinking, representants for the swedish ministry of foreign affairs met Greta Thunberg on Saturday and received no reports of violence. She says there has been too little to eat and drink, she suspects there's bed bugs and she stated that she had to lay on hard surfaces. Nothing about what this article states, so unless it happened right after the embassy left, this is bull and only meant ragebait.~~
edit2: I would advice everyone to apply critical thinking when reading this article. It is framed in such a way as to invoke rage in readers and is probably not true.
Swedish representants for the foreign ministry has met with Greta which stated that there was lack of food and water and that they have to lay on hard surfaces in addition to receiving harsh treatment. No mentions of violence.
Now harsh treatment could cover a lot, but the fact that she hasn't mentioned that they were inflicted violence is a pretty strong indicator that this is not true.
In addition, swedish media hasn't covered this story which I have no doubt they would pick up on pretty fast since the flotilla and the genocide is well covered in media. This would be headlines to say the least.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/04/greta-thunberg-israel-gaza-sweden
Even if they didn't beat her all other thing she experienced is still terrible and worth being raged about
Amazing how they don't seem to acknowledge this one while also doing lots of angry rants 🤔
You’re of course welcome to believe whatever you want, but from my perspective the state of Israel has lost so much credibility they’re on the same level of standing as hearsay from the flotilla. Hatred and violence is now the norm over any political issue.
Seems to me most likely answer is Greta complained about abusive treatment to the embassy but they decided not to raise it publicly in hope of getting better food/bed for her — lacking a Time Machine and all. Ie being diplomatic…
I agree. I don't think Israel has any credibility at all after these last years, but my point is regarding this article and that one should apply critical thinking to spot misinformation and propaganda, which this article most probably are.
I don't think that is the case though. Ulf Kristersson said that those who traveled with Ship to Gaza can just about suit themselves with what happens and that they can expect no help from Sweden. But the strongest indication is that no Swedish news has picked up on that story which most certainly be the case if it was true.
You're being a cynical asshole. Even if you're right, the way you phrase it is so needlessly abrasive that you won't convince anyone of anything. You're just airing out your shitty personality for everyone else to deal with, and it's quite sad and concerning.
Get help.
Separate from that, the statements made in the email from the Swedish embassy that were sent to the Guardian don't contradict the other flotilla activist's claims. In fact, the embassy's email at least partially corroborates the claims—depending upon how you choose to interpret Greta's statement that she was being subjected to "harsh treatment". At no point did the representative refute the claims.
I think a modicum of critical thinking would easily lend credence to the claim that <country that's starving children and has sniped them in hospitals with quadcopters> might be abusive to an activist who's attempting to defy their mission.
It's equally reasonable to expect that an embassy would hesitate to repeat the claims/accusations without additional evidence so as not to cause any unnecessary diplomatic tensions, especially with Greta still being in custody.
But again, I wouldn't expect someone exhibiting such a shining personality such as yourself to stop to consider that perhaps the representative was being diplomatic about what claims they were willing to repeat. You know—because assholes generally know fuck-all about when/how someone is being diplomatic.
Or unless Israel had threatened her that there would be repercussions for telling the truth.
In the scopes of "you're allowed to tell about lack of food, water, bed bugs, harsh treatment and laying on the floor, but nothing about kissing the flag because then!" I hear you mate but that's unreasonable. Read this critically and you will see the ragebait and narrative it tries to promote. Just such things as
That's testimony from another activist. Seems to have been corroborated by Swedish officials and others in a Guardian article
The allegation was corroborated by at least two other members of the flotilla who had been detained by Israeli forces and released on Saturday.
“They dragged little Greta [Thunberg] by her hair before our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her, as a warning to others,” the Turkish activist ErsinÇelik, a participant in the Sumud flotilla, told Anadolu news agency.
Lorenzo D’Agostino, a journalist and another flotilla participant, said after returning to Istanbul that Thunberg was “wrapped in the Israeli flag and paraded like a trophy” – a scene described with disbelief and anger by those who witnessed it.
There are mentions of pictures, and she herself was aware such pictures may exist and asked whether they had been released. So, no, you’re misled. Forcing detainees through beatings and physical force into interacting with the Israeli flag is a common humiliation practice by Israelis if you know anything about them. It’s pretty much standard practice. They wouldn’t think twice about doing it to their newest victim regardless of who “she thinks she is”.
Yes but
is not the same as
I don't doubt she has been forced to pose with a flag and thus ask wether those pictures has been released.
She's Greta. She would show her bruises to make the case against Israel. She'd never be silent if it was as bad as the article claims.
Have you considered that maybe she's very traumatised both physically and mentally at the moment and is recovering first before she steps out into the public eye again?
Sure, but she provided enough testimony for this niche news website to publish this story? Occam's Razor holds for now.
Where in the article does it say she gave testimony herself? Also it isn't that much of a niche news site, it's one of the biggest left wing news outlets in the UK, probably the second biggest after Novara
If she didn't give testimony, who did? Why do you insist the article is credible?
I'm not a chatbot, you can read the article yourself and find out these things. I haven't insisted the article is credible. Go back and read what I wrote and you'll see that
I don't understand your objection then, sorry.
If you can't understand why someone wouldn't go out in front of the world and make big statements in line with these claims, or any statement at all, immediately after a very traumatising experience then you really need to work on your empathy and understanding of basic human emotion. I understand your skepticism, to a point. I just gave a very obvious reason why she hasn't talked about the harrowing things she went through in detail to the public straight away, whether they are as is said in this article or not. Even thinking about them is going to be very difficult for her, nevermind doing what you're expecting
Edit: Taken out a sentence that isn't relevant, as I thought you were the OP of this comment thread before
I don't disagree with the sentiment at all, I just think when you report news like this, you do it responsibly. One of the reasons we're in the situation that we're in with massive distrust of institutions on the one hand, but widespread believe in conspiracy theories on the other is because fact checking has fled a lot of buildings, and depending on your biases people either doubt everything or believe everything dogmatically. There are other reasons of course, and root causes. But it sucks and is tearing us apart.
The Guardian article is worded much more equivocally. "Another detainee" claims she had to kiss the flag. She has given statements herself, but hasn't corroborated the other claims including of her own having been forced to do so. Heresay in general and limited sources.
All I'm asking is that articles make this obvious and don't sensationalize, like the article posted by OP. Whatever the case, the abuses by Israel we have solid evidence for are bad enough.
Mate can you actually read? I replied to your comment to push back against you expecting Greta to be standing up on a platform and immediately talking about all of this stuff to the world when she's going to be very traumatised. And that she would be whether what the article says is true or not. That's it. Nothing else
My whole point has been about that, not about the article and it's accuracy. The only times I've said anything about the latter is cos you keep somehow not understanding that I'm not talking about the accuracy of the article and bringing it back up again. And even then the only thing I really said in response to that was pushing back against you saying The Canary is niche when it actually isn't really. And also telling you to read it, seeing as you clearly hadn't from what you've said in replies. You didn't understand entirely what you were arguing against in the article and now you're not understanding my point at all and have somehow gone off thinking I'm saying things that I'm not
You're being needlessly confrontational. I agreed with your sentiment the very first time you replied to me, and clarified my concern is about accuracy of the reporting, so don't blame me for your own failure to stay on topic.
You're being intentionally obtuse and stacking edits onto your initial comment to belabor an awful, specious argument.
That you would continue to die on this hill, after conceding the point about dehydration, rashes, painful concrete surfaces, and degrading photography–
That you would call the activists liars, whilst Israel’s foreign ministry posts on X that all detained activists were "safe and in good health" and Israel's commitment to the "dignity" of prisoners afforded by international law—
That you would weasel out on the smallest of words—"harsh" treatment—while the Italian legal representation for the flotilla explicitly alleges multiple instances of both physical and verbal abuse against the activists in custody—
I think it speaks volumes to your (lack of) moral character. You know you are wrong. You're tripling down on being a cynical asshole.
Get your head on straight, "mate".