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Look mate, i am not saying Trump is not making it worse and that faster.
What you refuse to see is that Israel is a pariah state with huge influence over US politics. None, and i repeat none of the known political figures has enough back bone to stand up to them so ANY real change must come from the people.
I get how Trump has been a plight the U.S. and the world. What i am trying to say is that you pretend Trump won because of any single issue and in doing so you ignore the complexity of problems that have corroded the U.S. (and the West at large) into the pathetic state it is in today.
To be fair i do not expect much from Americans today. The few people willing to push for real change are deminished by reformists that hope to save as much as possible from the system that obviously does not work out. All of this has been decades in the making and you guys pointing to single events like this simply revel in your ingorance, feeling right when you get these sweet upvotes. But they don't matter and they won't change a thing.
To be fair this whole "conversation" we are having won't change much, as i do not expect anyone here to be self-critical enough to learn anything.
So why write in the first place? Because the least one needs to do is to challenge these superficial opinions.
You're pretending that if we noticed a huge number of people swaying support away from Harris - lying and saying that doing so was best for Gaza - we must be simpletons with no understanding that America is fucked for multiple reasons. But that's all it is. Pretend. The people who can only screech about Democrats' failure with Gaza seem to be the actual simpletons from where I sit. And some of those people are definitely Russian trolls/bots.
That's quite a cozy nest of thought-terminating cliches you've constructed. Just dismiss your left as stupid russian bots and you never have to acknowledge that you supported something morally reprehensible, not as a reluctant choice, but as an enthusiastic one.
What you’re failing to acknowledge is in a 2 party system the choices weren’t good vs bad, or bad vs worse but bad vs much worse. Shitty vs fucked up. Given those options and only those options you try to make the best of a bad situation not make it worse.
People voted for “much worse” and they got it. Things are good and fucked up.
Don't you see the cycle of bad vs worse you guys have been in like for multiple decades? Sure would Kamala been better (for the US) than Trump, thats a No-Brainer. And i also very much hoped you and we get another four years of the status-quo. But the decline of your system is ongoing and an end is inevitable. Trump accelerates it and that fucking sucks for you guys, so i get the rage. Believe me when i say i spent multiple days seething at how Trump can insult his allies while sucking up to Putin.
Nontheless it is now rather impossible to even pretend things can go on like this and i hope it will get your and my ass off from the couch.
Good luck.
Not my system. I’m an outsider looking in
Things are good and fucked up because people keep picking "bad" or "worse" on their ballots. We may be stuck in a two party system but who says it has to be these two parties?
You have no idea how frustrating it is to see people like yourself endlessly bitching about how bad things are and how terrible these party's candidates are but then arguing that we must chose one of these very same candidates or else things might get "bad" as if we don't have decades and decades of history to look back at and see the result of the very decisions you're advocating for. As if we can't see how bad things are now while you argue that we must keep doing the same thing that lead us into this mess if we ever want to get out of this mess. It's complete nonsense.