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[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 66 points 8 months ago

Read the room Harris and stop justofying your mistakes

[-] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 65 points 8 months ago

Kamala Harris ran on a pro-genocide platform and was very supportive of Israel. This was one of the reasons why she lost.

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What, specifically, was the "pro genocide platform"? Because I remember that election pretty well, and I don't recall any advocacy of genocide, at least not from Harris.

Let's be honest for one second. Here's how American politics on Israel actually breaks down:

Democrats: often criticize Netanyahu but never actually cut off aid. However, several Democrats already opposed continuing aid to Israel and the rest of the party conceivably could listen to growing opposition to Israel's war.

Republicans: actively hate all poor brown people and want Israel to kill them all. They will also use deportations and any other means available to silence anyone voicing opposition to said killing of all poor brown people.

I get that neither choice is perfect, but I really can't see why it's a struggle.

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[-] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 23 points 8 months ago

This thought process makes no fucking sense though because the other guy did too...

Kamala was very obviously the "better" choice for Palestine.

Yes, she's still a shit choice for Palestine.

But I don't understand this logic, this person is going to let a genocide happen if we elect them, the other guy is going to let a genocide and a fascism happen.

Someone make it make sense

[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Makes a whole bunch of sense when you consider a lot of America still just can't accept the idea of a woman as president, and they'll use any excuse they can to make themselves feel better about the misogyny.

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[-] Licksrocks@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

Trump is doing a fantastic job supporting Israel in her place

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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

How's that working out? 🙈

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Kamala lost because she was terrible at everything

[-] meep_launcher@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

Kamala lost because she was running on a Campaign of Joy™️

The only way to win a campaign is to garner more rage than your opponent. Nixon's campaign manager put it well- "The secret to politics is to know who hates who". That's how they flipped the then deep blue south into a Republican stronghold for 60 years.

Frankly I think this is why we are doomed to civil war, candidates that try to calm things down will always lose to candidates who fan the flames.

[-] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 61 points 8 months ago

I absolutely despise trump. With that said, I hope we never see her as president. She's insanely out of of touch with the common folk. I'd much rather see AOC or that Texas democrat dude with the ears

[-] Aeri@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

I will take any functioning adult who I can not easily visualize mentally as a 1940's German officer.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Ditto. She would have made a terrible president. My mind was made when she didn’t ask for a recount. I hope we don’t see her in 2028. I hope we make it to 2028..

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago

She could have been if she didn't fuck up the Gaza situation...

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago

Not surprising after she banned Gazan supporters and a local Democrat legislator at her own DNC rally.

Absolute garbage mound of a candidate and campaign that completely deserves to be thrashed by the very constituency she refused to acknowledge.

Bunch of you failure shills in this comments still thinking this was a progressive candidate need to look at literally any of her responses to questions about public policy. Nothing but a 1:1 copy of Biden's equally shit tier response to major internal and external issues, and very obviously way more right leaning than Obama.

I still remember some of you outright denying the existence of Gaza protestors at DNC events, as if any news outlet reporting it was a Russian compromised asset, and any user on lemmy.world supporting such action was a lemmy.ml Chinese spam bot in disguise.

[-] LePoisson@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Ah yeah, good thing we got all that but way worse with how people voted.

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[-] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 52 points 8 months ago

Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un are “laughing at us right now.”

And they're loving the goons continuing their antidemocratic work of perpetually attacking Harris. Crisis averted: a black woman didn't get in the hot seat where she could have actually moved the needle toward progress. True progressives understand why Rosa Parks was picked even though she wasn't first. The purity test bullshit on the left is a successful bait campaign by the right.

[-] lowleekun@ani.social 28 points 8 months ago

Absolute horse shit. If you really believe that Harris would have helped the Palestinians i would like to hear why think that is. Condemning what Israel is doing is such a no-brainer, but it does not present any actions, does it? And thats what the Palestinians needed and still need. She was the god damn Vice-President of the United States of America, a country without which the massacre on Gaza would not be possible in the first place. So the god damn least she could have done was to speak out while in a position of Power. You blind yourself if you really think that the head of democratic leadership will accept any sort of real action AGAINST the interest of their big donors. Remember what happened to Bernie.

[-] ManixT@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago

You are completely proving their point. Do you really think the level of support Israel receives from Trump is the same as what it would have been with Kamala? Do you think Bibi would be in her office telling her how great their relationship is and give her a golden pager?

Do you think Israel would have acted just as brazenly in its escalations and direct attacks on Iran?

There is no question she wouldn't have done enough to stop Israeli crimes, but no way in hell would it be equal to or worse than Trump. Even considering them on the same level makes you sound like a psyop.

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[-] TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 8 months ago

The purity test bullshit on the left

Dems aren't on the left

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[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago

Same people attacking any suggestion that their inaction let the orange monkey back into the WH. But hey, 'it wasn't me who voted him in', right?

[-] breadguy@kbin.earth 48 points 8 months ago

people made it clear that supporting genocide was a line they wouldn't cross, this was apparent even without the polls. how are we still blaming voters when the dems still refused to adjust position? they chose Israel over winning, that's completely on them.

[-] notabot@piefed.social 30 points 8 months ago

So, they refused to support genocide (a position, to be clear, that I agree with) by taking an action (voting third party) or inaction (not voting) that would clearly, and obviously, give a candidate who supported genocide a higher probability of not just winning, but being supported by others with the same opinion?

Voters were put in an invidious position and there were no good options, but there was one option that was clearly worse in every way, and they either directly or indirectly chose to support him.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

You can't claim to oppose genocide at the same time vote for one of the parties who gives billions to israel to commit genocide.

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[-] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 27 points 8 months ago

Yeah it’s bullshit. I voted third party because dems decided Israel is worth supporting. But let’s be mathematically accurate here.

Even if all the people who DID vote that did not vote republican had voted for the democrat, there would not have been enough electoral college influence to affect the outcome.

You would have needed more non-voters to vote. But a non-voter then was probably a never-voter. There are people that exist who simply don’t care one way or the other who is in charge and you can’t convince those people to go vote. Sure you can try, but in the end it’s the people who did vote who get what they voted for.

Regardless of all of that I find the “you should have voted democrat” argument to be exceptionally stupid. The democrat party is backing a government that I find to be morally reprehensible, as do most Americans, what should have happened is those who were saying “yeah it’s bad but I’m still gonna vote dem” should have just voted for a third party. Why vote against your interests?

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[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Remind them that throwing their vote away was a vote for garbage, and garbage won.

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[-] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Goddamn these fucking protesters are such inauthentic losers. So "brave" yet terrified to protest the Trump administration.

Fucking phonies. They don't even remotely give a shit about Palestinians.

[-] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The pro-Palestine movement is protesting against the Trump administration almost every day. Just because Democrats are one degree better doesn't mean they get a pass for supporting the modern-day Holocaust for 16 months and handing the country on a silver platter to Trump.

Every Democrat who played a part in propping up the inanimate corpse of Biden and supported the genocide in 2024 need to be run out of politics and reminded of their miserable fucking FAILURE to stop fascism for the rest of their lives.

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[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago
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[-] lowleekun@ani.social 13 points 8 months ago

Yes it indeed is. When Biden left office a large portion of Gaza had already been destroyed. Trump "empowered" Israel to show how bad they want to genocide the Palestinians for real and people wake up.

Before the political powers of the U.S. help the Palestinians hell will freeze over. At best the U.S. has been a force of status quo (Apartheid and Opression). At worst they have fed the ethnical cleansing.

The politicians are NOT our allies. The people on the streets need to put pressure on them until they are willing to enact change AGAINST their own interest because there simply is no out.

It is long overdue to get your asses up from the screen and into the real world like these protesters do. You simply have not grasp on the situation that you think you have, maybe even talk to an activist. Just maybe.

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[-] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

Yeah but you didn't condemn Isreal when you should have. You get your just desserts. Never gonna vote for you. Buh-bye.

[-] VasovagalSyncope@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

If she shut up and went away, then protesters probably wouldn't bother her.

[-] timmy_dean_sausage@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago
[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 25 points 8 months ago

If you lose to Donald Fucking Trump, you should be too ashamed to show your face in public.

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[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago
[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

She blamed anti genocide protesters for her loss and is trying to make money off it.

Remember, Kamala is the reason Trump won.

[-] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 22 points 8 months ago

People not voting in their best interests is why Trump won

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[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Why is she so stupid.

[-] iceagec0mmie@lemmy.org 14 points 8 months ago

yeah fuck this pig. she shouldn't feel safe anywhere she goes. no politician should.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

I thought she promised us she was leaving politics. Why is she speaking at all. She should be in Nevada selling insurance.

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