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Is Signal messaging really private?
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privacy and security are one and the same. you can't separate them, it makes no sense.
VERY different things.
Bitcoin is secure but not private.
https://xkcd.com/538/
I'm not really sure what you want to say with that. I always loved that comic although I always thought that my reason for wanting high security is not to be 100% protected from any thread. If you show up with a wrench I'm going to give you my btc seed before you even hit me. But I'll know. If something has low security. It can happen without my consent and without me knowing
Signal's fancy E2E encryption doesn't matter if the government can force you to unlock your phone.
What matters is that everything in Signal is based on a phone numbers. Which means it can be traced back to an individual.
Signal is insecure exactly for this reason.
OK. You do you. The rest of us define security, privacy and anonymity in a whole other way.
If you keep thinking about it, you will keep finding cases where they (all 3) are not the same
This is pure nonsense, as I explained here: https://lemmy.ml/post/35848526/20978624
Security, privacy and anonymity are the same thing. If you weaken one, you weaken all others.
Correction . you are not wrong. They are RELATED anonymity increases privacy, and privacy without security doesn't make sense. But up to a point. You may notice again that you can keep adding security layers on bitcoin (cold wallets and such), but privacy doesn't change. Because ethey are different
You are worng. Unquestionably. But you are also unwilling to listen, so there is no need to keep explaining. Bitcoin should be the only argument I need for this since it is perfectly secure while not being private nor really anonymous (bitcoin is pseudonymous, not anonymous). In fact usernames do not add anonymity. They add... What do I call this.... Pseudonymity? The difference is important. But you don't care
I care because Signal is the kind of insecure app that gets people into trouble. I live in Turkey, with an authoritarian government. Security is a very importan topic for us, and Signal is just a sad joke.
I'm donde with this conversation. I agree that signal is not for you . but it's not because it's insecure
Signal is just an insecure app that gets people into trouble.
Use simplex then. Not quite ready. But better than nothing
What you want is anonymity. Not security.
You say that yet here you are. On a public forum. On a pseudonymous forum where a profile can eventually be built of you. They would beat you to get your Lemmy credentials, but since everything is public, they don't need you