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Good! I‘m grateful that the CCP is stepping in where the West is ignorant. Thanks to heavy lobbying by fossil fuels and car industries we would never have affordable cars in Europe without China. Thank you Xi Jinping for saving the climate 🙏
LOOOOOLOLOLOL have you looked at China's greenhouse gas contributions lately? They don't give a fuck about the climate, they're just trying to drive other countries out of the market.
Chinese carbon emissions may have peaked this year and they’ve deployed more renewables than the rest of the world combined.
That's because they're also heavily subsidizing that industry out of self-interest. That's the "emerging markets" I mentioned above.
Which sounds like a good idea for everybody. Maybe other countries should do the same thing.
I’m no fan of West Taiwan but they’re doing a lot more to decarbonize than most other major economies.
Like always, it's a great idea, right up until China jacks up the prices after they've driven out all the competition and common people can't buy them anymore.
Then maybe western companies can finally compete with them despite being ruled by obligate capitalists.
I think you may have glossed over the bit about jacking up prices. By then other countries be decades behind in development, not to mention competing with slave wages. There's no way. If there was, they wouldn't be doing it. CCP isn't doing this for the environment, they expect payback.
So the Chinese tech will still be cheaper.
Gee, maybe sending almost all our manufacturing to another country was a stupid fucking idea
Man I've never seen anyone shift quite so many goalposts in such a short time.
What goalpost did I move? You said they’d be built with slave labor which means they’ll still be cheaper, right? And in the meantime we decarbonize huge segments of the global economy.
Don’t be mad just cause western countries wanted to take advantage of slave labor as usual and are getting bitten in the ass because of their greed, or that West Taiwan is doing it better.
This one:
I never wrote that.
But if a side effect of utterly dominating the west in decarbonizing has the side effect of saving the climate I’m not gonna complain.
No, but you did jump into that conversation. If you were trying to have some other argument, you were arguing with a strawman.
There is no "saving the climate". There is only China dominating the industry and then pricing them out of the hands of common people, because they have no competition.
Another effect is destroying the global economy and further diminishing the wages of workers in the US and around the world. But hey, maybe you like being poor.
Good. I hate the global economy.
And maybe if the western countries had a lick of sense it wouldn’t end up this way. But we got addicted to cheap plastic crap and let the Chinese leapfrog us.
Because if we’d left decarbonization to the west it would never have happened.
I have no response to this.
They are subsiding the deployment of clean energy sources?
Good for them. And good for the world.
Sure, it's great for everyone, right up until it's not anymore because they've erased the competition and then jacked up the prices to the point that common people can't afford them, and further driven down workers' wages in the process.
Is no one else familiar with the concept of Predatory Pricing?
Oh no, a country acts out of self-interest! A concept that is completely foreign to the West 😱 At least their “self-interest“ has cheaper EVs for the rest of the world as a result. What are the coeffects of the US defending their self-interests? Rise in facism? Another genocide?
You're moving the goalposts. You were literally thanking Xi for "saving the climate".
Once again, I am not having a pissing match about which country is better, I am discussing the success of electric vehicles from China.
Not really? Still saving the climate 🤔
It cannot be both. Either:
CCP is subsidizing EVs to "save the climate" and they will stay cheap and subsidized forever because the communist dictator is actually just a totally super nice guy who cares about the global climate.
CCP is subsidizing EVs to dominate the global market, after which prices will go sky high and economies around the world (including yours) will suffer, because they've driven out all of the competition.
Which one do you think it is?
As always - well under what USA is putting into the atmosphere. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita
That's per Capita, China has like 30 billion more citizens.
Correct and correct.
So then you agree you were wrong...?
No. Your argument is for fools. The argument that a country with a population of 345 million produces less carbon dioxide to pollute the planet’s atmosphere with than a country of 1.42 billion people is nonsense and contributes nothing to any conversation at all. The per capita comparison is what matters, but it’s not used by the people that just really want us to believe “China == bad”. Seems like they’re successful at it based on this interaction, sadly.
Oh okay so basically you were wrong but it doesn't matter. And I've been duped into hating a communist dictatorship that censors all public discourse and has exploited slave wages for the last several decades. Got it.
Per capita is the measure that counts, why should Americans be allowed to put multiple times more CO2 into the air than other people?
You are a stinking American exceptionalist.
They also manufacture the rest of the world's shit. So all in all they're pretty clean for how big they are.
Maybe YOU should give another look at those figures.
Specially the ones relative to the % of new renewables put into production during the last years.