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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Chinese carbon emissions may have peaked this year and they’ve deployed more renewables than the rest of the world combined.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

That's because they're also heavily subsidizing that industry out of self-interest. That's the "emerging markets" I mentioned above.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Which sounds like a good idea for everybody. Maybe other countries should do the same thing.

I’m no fan of West Taiwan but they’re doing a lot more to decarbonize than most other major economies.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Like always, it's a great idea, right up until China jacks up the prices after they've driven out all the competition and common people can't buy them anymore.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Then maybe western companies can finally compete with them despite being ruled by obligate capitalists.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think you may have glossed over the bit about jacking up prices. By then other countries be decades behind in development, not to mention competing with slave wages. There's no way. If there was, they wouldn't be doing it. CCP isn't doing this for the environment, they expect payback.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

So the Chinese tech will still be cheaper.

Gee, maybe sending almost all our manufacturing to another country was a stupid fucking idea

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Man I've never seen anyone shift quite so many goalposts in such a short time.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

What goalpost did I move? You said they’d be built with slave labor which means they’ll still be cheaper, right? And in the meantime we decarbonize huge segments of the global economy.

Don’t be mad just cause western countries wanted to take advantage of slave labor as usual and are getting bitten in the ass because of their greed, or that West Taiwan is doing it better.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

What goalpost did I move?

This one:

Thank you Xi Jinping for saving the climate 🙏

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I never wrote that.

But if a side effect of utterly dominating the west in decarbonizing has the side effect of saving the climate I’m not gonna complain.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I never wrote that.

No, but you did jump into that conversation. If you were trying to have some other argument, you were arguing with a strawman.

But if a side effect of utterly dominating the west in decarbonizing has the side effect of saving the climate I’m not gonna complain.

There is no "saving the climate". There is only China dominating the industry and then pricing them out of the hands of common people, because they have no competition.

Another effect is destroying the global economy and further diminishing the wages of workers in the US and around the world. But hey, maybe you like being poor.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Good. I hate the global economy.

And maybe if the western countries had a lick of sense it wouldn’t end up this way. But we got addicted to cheap plastic crap and let the Chinese leapfrog us.

Because if we’d left decarbonization to the west it would never have happened.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Good. I hate the global economy.

I have no response to this.

[-] Amberskin@europe.pub 6 points 23 hours ago

They are subsiding the deployment of clean energy sources?

Good for them. And good for the world.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 23 hours ago

Sure, it's great for everyone, right up until it's not anymore because they've erased the competition and then jacked up the prices to the point that common people can't afford them, and further driven down workers' wages in the process.

Is no one else familiar with the concept of Predatory Pricing?

[-] tyra@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Oh no, a country acts out of self-interest! A concept that is completely foreign to the West 😱 At least their “self-interest“ has cheaper EVs for the rest of the world as a result. What are the coeffects of the US defending their self-interests? Rise in facism? Another genocide?

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You're moving the goalposts. You were literally thanking Xi for "saving the climate".

Once again, I am not having a pissing match about which country is better, I am discussing the success of electric vehicles from China.

[-] tyra@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Not really? Still saving the climate 🤔

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

At least their “self-interest“ has cheaper EVs for the rest of the world as a result.

It cannot be both. Either:

  1. CCP is subsidizing EVs to "save the climate" and they will stay cheap and subsidized forever because the communist dictator is actually just a totally super nice guy who cares about the global climate.

  2. CCP is subsidizing EVs to dominate the global market, after which prices will go sky high and economies around the world (including yours) will suffer, because they've driven out all of the competition.

Which one do you think it is?

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