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Democrats vote down resolution calling for arms embargo on Israel, recognizing Palestinian state
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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OK, let's break this down.
a) Democrats are not in control
b) They didn't signal support for a two state solution, even when there were 0 real costs because they are not in control
c) there's 0 reason to believe they would have voted differently if they were in control
ergo, this is very relevant, even if Republicans are worse.
Most incumbent Democrats need to be primaried out.
I voted for Harris despite being a progressive social democrat with many preferred ideal candidates. I wasn't a couch sitter or part of the uncommitted vote.
But this comment is beyond absurd, lol.
This is exactly the time to be critical of the terrible oppositional leadership. Best time in fact to reform the Democratic party since we're powerless to do anything else.
Either you recognize this, or I'll tag you as a Trump supporter because believing otherwise literally only helps Republicans in 2026 and 2028.
These people just don't believe in or don't want the world to be better. I voted Harris and will probably still vote for whatever presidential ghoul the Democrats push on us, but I'm done providing an ounce of support to team blue beyond that.
The party needs to be undermined for things to get better, because the party has done jack all to prove themselves. They have not been allies, but feudalistic opportunists exploiting the fascist takeover rather than doing anything productive. Unless we force them to share power with the left, they'll just take our support to line their pockets
However, people hear my criticism and only hear me as an anti-voter who will hurt their precious saviors. It's infuriating that they love the blue boot so much that they'll shit on anyone who refuses to deepthroat it.
You will also forget about all the damage republicans and trump does when they are no longer in control. Topical stupid cultist logic
It was the DNC, not House or Senate. Wouldn't have been binding in any sense of the word ... so why not vote it through?
The article answers that question.
The chairman of the DNC wanted a more hardline bill,, and when he didn't get that, he withdrew the resolution and vowed to build a coalition behind it for next time.*
Yet again, the rational voice is downvoted. Clearly no one bothered to read the article.
‘Allow no nuance, logic, or common sense get in the way of our manufactured outrage!!”
bUt mUh gEnoCiDe!
I honestly cannot believe you are all still on about this shit after seeing how your ignorant decisions to not vote not only still caused the genocide to continue but it came with a side of LGBTQ+ persecution, Concentration Camps, illegal deportations, and weaponizing the military against civilians.
It didn’t stop just like we told you it wouldn’t. And Trump did exactly what he told you he would.
You don’t listen because you think you know everything. You all sat there with your smug indignation thinking you were the shit with your flavor of the week issue. Just like every single fucking election before that.
You all always find a reason to not vote. And like fucking. Clockwork, you all always find a reason to bitch and moan about the results of the elections.
“Oh look! The cancer spread while we protested chemo! Who knew! Good thing I’m not a dUmBoCrAT though. WAAAAH! Trump sucks!”
I complained when biden was in office too, because he sucked ass.
I was part of the very vocal group that wanted him replaced on the off chance the democrats ran someone with any sort of platform better than "atleast we aren't trump" but then they ran "stronger borders than trump" harris and I said fuck that too.
it'd be nice if your party ran someone that isn't actively trying to make things worse but at a slower pace.
Cool. Thanks for helping to get us trump. It’s appreciated.
You're welcome! 😘
Don't blame the left when your 2028 blue maga fascist loses to the red maga fascist.
"blue maga fascist"
Oh....kay....
I didn't even come up with that one.
Wasn't expected to pass because the Democratic politicians are so removed from their base on this issue.
People should only vote for things that they think are going to win, rather than voting their conscience?
And what nuance, logic, or common sense do you have to offer exactly?
While I wouldn't say it in quite the same terms as you, I feel what you are saying. I still have Young Turks in my podcast feed, and even as Taco is sending storm troopers into the country and flooding the zone with awful stuff meant to dismantle this country and completely end voting and end all freedoms, most of the content on TYT seems to be....raging at Israel and much of the time raging at Democrats over it. You'd think it was the only thing happening right now given the amount of episodes dedicated mostly to Gaza/Israel. I haven't caught up on Useful Idiots podcast either, but they suffered the same problems.
Yes, it's not great. But they should really consider the priorities here. Being a single issue person on Israel?
We have a fascist in the WH right now. Flogging the Democrats over Gaza and Israel is just performative bullshit at this point.
Side quest - anyone have any good progressive podcasts to recommend? One that has not been taken over by scolds obsessed with Oppression Olympics and tone policing and shaming white men? One that addresses the problems of oligarchy and is not obsessed with talking about Israel and Gaza all the time? One that is actually looking to bring people into the fold, rather than coming up with criteria on filtering them out?
Have you ever considered that maybe ignoring the anti genocide criticisms contributed to the Democrats' loss in 24? Have you ever considered that telling much of their base to stop complaining about it was not wise electoral politics? Have you ever considered that banning social media popular with the youth for doing the same spying that all corporate social media does was a bad idea? Did you even notice that they downplayed the severity of economic suffering, allowing Trump's anti solutions to be the only electoral voice to real pain? (it's the economy stupid!!!)
Trump won because the Democrats lost. They suck at being popular because corporate allegiance ties their hands from providing a populist alternative to fascism. They made so many tactical errors and have done nothing to course correct. I don't need to talk about the substance of Gaza to explain why the Dems fumbled it. They ignored and rejected voices that mattered, not only on that, but on countless other issues.
They backed away from supporting trans people in the campaign, lost, and only continue to distance themselves from us. They don't need to put up that distance; they could just ignore the issue and focus on the economy and violation of human rights by fascists, but they don't; they choose to complain about kids who just wanna play sports, because they never really wanted to be our allies. We didn't push them away; they did.
You just ran through a litany of other things that weren't Gaza/Israel.
It's kind of my point - treating Gaza and Israel as if it is the only issue was likely set up intentionally as a wedge issue and it only helped Taco get in. And he's going to be even worse on it, and he's very likely to completely end America, possibly killing millions in the process. Right now his lackeys are putting up gigantic Big Brother/North Korean style banners of his visage...and getting set to occupy more cities with the military.
When I don't see the morally pure people getting into a circle jerk over their superior ethical system, I mostly now see them silent on this. Maybe the occasional drive-by. Certainly I have not seen them say one cogent thing regarding this since the election. I guess they are just on a higher moral plane than all the rest of us mere mortals trying to wrestle with all the other existential crises at play here. Or it could be many/most of them were just paid actors meant to divide the opposition, kill morale, and drive down the election turnout.
Holy fucking shit, you really didn't understand my point and you never will. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given you see the people who refuse to listen to concerns as the ones in the right. I hope one day you escape your own ass, but I'm not betting on it.
Supporting Genocide abroad and allowing, often supporting even, the Fascist takeover at home aren't separate issues. They are two sides of the same coin and we see with this decision again, that supporting the Genocide comes with supporting the Fascist takeover rather than fighting it.