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We are voting blue because the alternative is literal fascism as we're experiencing here, we don't have the political system set up for third-party voting, that begins at fucking HOME.
Get involved in your local governments and stop whinging about the federal elections. Your largely-ignored local and state elections are what gave all this mess the power it didn't deserve.
I mean, there's still a CHANCE to turn it around and restructure our government and our voting so we have actual choices, but right now, because everyone has been swayed or turned apathetic, we don't have a viable means for voting for anyone that isn't picked by the right or the further right.
Instead of shaming people for voting for Harris, we would do a lot better telling people who in their local states and cities need more support.
The left needs to get it's fart-huffing head out of its collective ass and stop trying to bicker and shame each other performatively. You want real results you get involved from the ground up. Otherwise you're just displaying how much better you are for internet points.
edit: the fact that this is still getting kids butthurt out there encourages me, I WANT you to be mad. Get fucking MAD you hyper-sensitive dipshits. Then point it where it belongs and go outside and touch grass and get involved in your community, learn to socialize without being self-obsessed, stop feeling entitled to some kind of relief or absolution or validation, you're exactly the same as MAGA if you're sitting there mad that someone has criticism of your movement's tactics or lack thereof. UNIFY.
I'd argue that organizing a nationwide vote of no confidence for our entire government is imperative instead of playing games with the Democrats who prop up fascism by alienating people who want to achieve progress.
There is no precedent, but being held hostage to a broken system and playing in a rigged game will get us nowhere without extremely radical campaign finance reform and voting/election reform.
You need money to win elections, progressives and leftists or left-leaning individuals can't compete with big money.
Let me know how that goes.
I've been at this for decades. Leftists broadly are incapable of organizing on the level that draws in the numbers needed for change, it's just performative clubhouse demonstrations and performative boycotts, everyone is too lost in their own heads. It's sad and it sucks but it's literally the same kind of self-entitlement that the right is suffering from but wrapped in different wallpaper.
The liberal middle-ish class is the blood-bank for the parties to try to continue to extract money from, and as long as this class is moderately comfortable and has food they are going to pour money into whoever catches their eye for a moment on federal electoral stages, largely tune out of local politics, and not have strong principles one way or another. If you can reach these people (without preaching or shaming them for like, enjoying Duck Tales and other bizarre leftist campaigns of shame and finger wagging) then you have a chance of turning the country, but I literally cannot see that happening with the general attitudes that have set in on the left. Nobody is taking any of this seriously. It's horseshoe theory on despair-inducing display.
That's the attitude. I think my suggestion has merit.
Let me know how many progressive individuals get elected after a few more decades of capital doing whatever it wants to crush any forward movement of our society (if we even have elections anymore).
The fresh water crisis will get us before anyone can achieve progress on any level if we keep letting the government (or what's left of it) and elections be bought out by capital.
So as one of those terminally online, over-educated, ‘dreamer’ leftists, I’m pretty tired of being vote-cucked in cycle after cycle by Democrat faithful and the DNC with “…but have you seen the Republican candidate?” messaging. I’m mad about the policy platform, but recognize the electoral games. You can convince me of the ‘lesser harm’ arguments, but that increasingly does not work with regular voters.
Voting is transactional, not aspirational. Reward voter’s loyalty with policies and governance that actually improves their lives, instead of protecting the Dow and NASDAQ. Someone who is struggling to pay for shelter and healthcare doesn’t give a flying fart about ‘muh institutions’ or ‘procedural issues’ they want results. They’ve been chided and goaded in past elections and didn’t see demonstrable improvements, but instead a widening wealth gap and decreased purchasing power amid windfall corporate profits.
Because this what the “vote blue no matter who” modality brings. Cynically wielding the right to ensure electoral compliance doesn’t work. Offering no real concrete policies or cross-party priorities like they used to doesn’t make people want to vote for you.
The party has shown its ass multiple times, and the electorate isn’t as stupid as the beltway folks think they are. Look at the ballot affiliation reports and see how cooked the party is, 4.5 million people said ‘nah they dgaf about me’
I stand by this, you can harp and debate and pontificate about what has been done and why and who it effects and how, but at the end of the day if you're not building your smaller politics, your larger politics will do things you don't want.
Liberal voters are uninspired and bored and make shitty choices so people who DO care have to get more involved. Give them leadership, give them options, shoot enough talking points at the great propaganda barrier that some get through and strike a few comfortable liberals and median voters who get all their news from AM radio and podcasters.
Take the money out of the hands of the Democrats and this won't be an issue in the future, this arm-folded harumphing of the Dem party forcing people into choices they don't like isn't going to change anything by itself either, this isn't reaching the median voters or liberals either and can be easily weaponized to make out those dissatisfied as "unamerican" or "radicals." We have to stop spending money on corporations (saving money, stop spending on frivolous bullshit and entertainment) and start investing actual energy and time into rebuilding communities and socializing. We desperately have to stop doing the same thing expecting different results. There's a word for that.
edit: your weird pushback on these ideas tells me I need to antagonize you fucks even harder into getting mobilized.
What the Democrats were doing in Gaza was literal fascism.
Lol, hypocrite.
Isn't it cool how the Dems and the Nazis get equal criticism on Lemmy?
I mean, it's mostly valid, and yet...
Not true! I attack actual fart-huffing leftists as well as democrats and nazis tyvm.
You attack anyone to your left, yes.
Talks like nazis. Murders encampments full of innocents like nazis. Goes after antifa (anti-fascists) just like nazis. Increasingly makes you "show me your paperz! ze papers are not in order!!" like nazis. Beating citizens (schoolkids) for expressing opinions on politics that they dont like. checkmark, on that one.
If I recall my world history the Japanese said they attacked because the US was pursuing trade boycotts to limit Japans access to raw materials. And the Germans claimed the jewish congress were running a global boycott against german goods right as the depression was hitting, decimating the Weimar republic economy. Similar to tarriffs now. So check, check on those score too.
The nazis dresssed smarter and spoke german. Those are the big differences. So yes, Democrat-republicans are not exactly the same as nazis, but everything else lines up.
The left has reached out to the dnc repeatedly and only ever gets its hand slapped and nasty name calling and temper tantrums as a reply-- like you just did. The left doesnt need to do a damned thing-- the centrists do. You know where our votes are. Come get em, or dont. I no longer care what you lot of diet fascist election losers do.
The fact that there are leftists who equate accountability and pointing out problems and criticism against the movement as "centrism" is pretty glaring proof that we have MAGA on both sides of this fetid horseshoe. I hope the next generation of kids growing up reading all this form better ideas. Or just burn the world down faster, our species deserves either.
the fact that you used the stupid horseshoe theory proves your centrist bona fides. Well that and sucking off Biden in your other comments. I dont know what you are doing on progressive threads besides calling people names and making a nuisance of yourself, but by all means enjoy your trolling. If thats what you have going for you then I wont take that away from you.
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