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submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz

In May the British Army retired its 89 AS90s, handing them all over to Ukraine. The Third Assault Brigade received at least 12, replacing their Soviet-era 2S19 Msta-S. They are pleased with their new weapon.

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“When the enemy begins pushing toward our infantry, we engage to stop them from even getting close,” Skrypa said. “I had a situation where about 30 [Russians] started gathering in a tree line, preparing to attack our guys — storm troopers. But they didn’t make it. We fired several shells, and that was it, none of them wanted to come back.”

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Initially the UK planned to send only 30 [AS90] howitzers, which were transferred in January 2023. Yet the Ukrainian crews have proved so capable they were gifted all of them. The artillery systems, designed in the 1990s, were retired by the British Army because of their age and their lumbering lack of mobility for the modern battlefield. But they are still proving their worth in Ukraine and have become a high priority target for Russian drones designed in 2025.

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[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The tone of the article makes it seem like they were retired because they weren't considered useful, if that was an intentional medium term procurement decision by the UK great that is genuinely awesome and very smart I just don't understand why this information was presented with such a warped framework then by the article. From the perspective you are arguing for the UK is giving Ukraine some of their most powerful artillery with the intention of using the knowledge gained in the Ukraine war and elsewhere to build a next generation weapons system that builds on the success of systems like the AS90. Presumably Ukraine will be involved with that next generation self propelled howitzer development as well at least to some capacity.

The RCH 155 being an obvious touchstone here though I would reiterate that I think threats to artillery are so thorough and deadly on the modern battlefield that tracked and wheeled self propelled artillery are necessary to deploy in tandem to reduce predictability for enemy assets hunting friendly artillery.

I am not trying to nitpick, I appreciate your input I am just trying to explain how backwards the spin is on everything around this, it is disorienting. The article devolves into a fear of drone attacks, which is obviously very deadly, very real and very common but ultimately I think from an editorial perspective these narratives about artillery are strangely ignorant about how much force is exchanged with artillery fire on the frontlines and how the vigorousness with which drones are hunting the artillery are a reflection of how much the enemy desperately needs to destroy them.

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