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Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank have beaten to death a United States citizen in his early 20s, the victim’s family members and rights groups have said.

“We are aware of reports of the death of a US citizen in the West Bank,” Reuters reported a State Department spokesperson as saying. The official declined to comment further “out of respect for the privacy of the family and loved ones” of the reported victim.

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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago

Not an American, A Palestinian American. The Magazis don't give a shit.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

An American was murdered under Biden too. No consequences because Zionism is bipartisan.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

You say that like MAGA are the only ones that don't care about Israel killing Americans. Were you even aware that it happened under Biden?

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Can you point to the word "only" in my comment?

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Don't be deliberately disingenuous. And if you're insist on it, then I'll match you: point to where I said you used the word 'only' in your comment, in my comment.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Sorry your straw man didn't work.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

I am begging reddit debate lords to actually learn what 'strawman' means, rather than treating the wikipedia page on logical fallacies like a list of magic incantations.

I am also begging them to just talk plainly: "You strawmanned me", rather than this insufferable nerd sarcasm bullshit of "sorry you strawman didn't work."

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I mean if, we're being real, it was also a whataboutism. "What about what the democrats did?"

Get better.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Whataboutism is itself a thought-terminating cliché.

Citations Needed podcast: Whataboutism - The Media's Favorite Rhetorical Shield Against Criticism of US Policy

Since the beginning of what’s generally called ‘RussiaGate’ three years ago, pundits, media outlets, even comedians have all become insta-experts on supposed Russian propaganda techniques. The most cunning of these tricks, we are told, is that of “whataboutism” – a devious Soviet tactic of deflecting criticism by pointing out the accusers’ hypocrisy and inconsistencies. The tu quoque - or, “you, also” - fallacy, but with a unique Slavic flavor of nihilism, used by Trump and leftists alike in an effort to change the subject and focus on the faults of the United States rather than the crimes of Official State Enemies.

But what if "whataboutism" isn’t describing a propaganda technique, but in fact is one itself: a zombie phrase that’s seeped into everyday liberal discourse that – while perhaps useful in the abstract - has manifestly turned any appeal to moral consistency into a cunning Russian psyop. From its origins in the Cold War as a means of deflecting and apologizing for Jim Crow to its braindead contemporary usage as a way of not engaging any criticism of the United States as the supposed arbiter of human rights, the term "whataboutism" has become a term that - 100 percent of the time - is simply used to defend and legitimizing American empire’s moral narratives.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

That's an interesting excerpt. I always thought the proper response to an identified whatabout is to simply say "I asked you first." -That's assuming the opposite party refused to respond to the initial premise, argument, or question. I imagine if they did respond to the initial premise, argument, or question then asking whatabout... is just a standard form of discussion and debate, or so I'd think.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The modern whataboutism is the bothsidesism.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Basically a straight up admition that they're both meaningless though terminating cliches

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[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Get better.

Do you lot insist on writing like the most annoying losers on earth deliberately?

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

You know what the absolutely weakest whataboutism is? Both sides!

You're on a roll. Do a Gish Gallop next! I love Gish Gallops!

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

I see you're now just going down the list of magic incantations you learned from Wikipedia.

Not to mention, doubling down on talking like the biggest reddit loser imaginable. How about you tell us about bacon and narwals next

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[-] communism@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

You comment strongly implied that you thought Maple Engineer thought this was a MAGA-specific phenomenon. There isn't the same strong implication in Maple Engineer's comment.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 2 weeks ago

Not an American, A Palestinian American. The Magazis don't give a shit.

Bold mine. Yes there is.

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Where did they say they only thought it was the "Magazis" who don't give a shit? You're like those amerikan liberals who think that criticising genocide joe meant you thought trump was better. You can make a negative comment about one amerikan politician without it being a positive about another. They're practically the same anyway.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Oh look, you've suddenly flipped back to demanding explicit quotes, when previously you accepted implications.

Hypocrite.

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[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Can you point to where I said he thought it was a maga specific phenomenon?

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago
[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Please point out where I said that explicitly

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago
[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago
[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago
[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago
[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago
[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Oh no, it's caught in a loop

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Can I point to where I said you said that explicitly? I can point to where I said you said it implicitly though. (emphasis mine)

You comment strongly implied that you thought Maple Engineer thought this was a MAGA-specific phenomenon.

You also more or less said it explicitly though, if you want to go down that route. I can't quote a specific part of your comment because your entire comment is based on this suggestion. (emphasis mine again)

You say that like MAGA are the only ones that don’t care about Israel killing Americans. Were you even aware that it happened under Biden?

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

So you can't point to where I said it explicitly.

Hypocrite

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Lmao damn someone's mad. Why reply to me 3 times? I've never said anyone said anything explicitly

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

u mad bro!

Wow, I didn't realize it was 2012 again

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

You comment strongly implied

Oooooh, so now you're willing to accept implied statements!

What happened to demanding explicit quotes only? Which implicit is exactly the opposite of.

And yes, there is the same strong implication in their comment

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